Passenger Trains > NYC Subway Derail.

NewsWeek.....

''A subway train derailed in New York City on Sunday morning after a person allegedly threw debris onto the roadbed, sparking a power outage that left passengers on another train trapped in a tunnel.The incident happened at the 14th Street and Eight Avenue station in the West Village neighborhood of Manhattan just before 8:30 a.m.A spokesperson for the New York City Police Department confirmed to Newsweek that its officers had responded to the derailment shortly after 8:15 a.m.One passenger was injured due to the derailment, the police spokesperson said.One person was taken into custody on suspicion after throwing debris onto the roadbed, the police spokesperson added. No charges have yet been filed against the suspect.The New York Daily News, citing police sources, reported that the train derailed after a man clamped wooden planks onto the roadbed.Commuters reportedly saw the man laughing after he clamped down the planks, according to the newspaper. Some people reportedly held him at the station until police were able to take him into custody.''

Regards,dK

Now if they can grow a pair and charge the idiot.

And the beat goes on.

SP4360 Wrote:
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> Now if they can grow a pair and charge the idiot.

It's New York City.  Fat chance, these days.

SP4360 Wrote:
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> Now if they can grow a pair and charge the idiot.

"homeless person with mental problems" according to another source.

Ray_Murphy Wrote:
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> SP4360 Wrote:
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> > Now if they can grow a pair and charge the
> idiot.
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> "homeless person with mental problems" according
> to another source.


It's New York.  He'll get a 48 hour hold and be released.

Protesting, what?

There are huge numbers of people wandering around NYC and elsewhere who are suffering severe mental illness. "Not taking your pills" is not an excuse for stabbing people, or throwing stuff on the subway tracks.  Cutting back on mental health services and confinement isn't much of a solution when the alternative is police intervention.  In many places the cops are not big hug folks for people wielding machetes.

And there's the problem, New York and mental. Should be in an institution out of the public's way. But i'm sure there will be a crowd saying that it's wrong to put a straight jacket on this fool.

SP4360 Wrote:
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> And there's the problem, New York and mental.
> Should be in an institution out of the public's
> way. But i'm sure there will be a crowd saying
> that it's wrong to put a straight jacket on this
> fool.

But the institutions were closed because they cost too much.

SP4360 Wrote:
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> And there's the problem, New York and mental.
> Should be in an institution out of the public's
> way. But i'm sure there will be a crowd saying
> that it's wrong to put a straight jacket on this
> fool.

Where in New York City is anything out of the public's way?

New Jersey.

RuleG Wrote:
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> > And there's the problem, New York and mental.
> > Should be in an institution out of the public's
> > way. But i'm sure there will be a crowd saying
> > that it's wrong to put a straight jacket on
> this
> > fool.
>
> Where in New York City is anything out of the
> public's way?

When "send the police" is the only tool dispatchers have, that's what they do.

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Ray_Murphy Wrote:
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> "homeless person with mental problems"

For a moment I thought you were describing the debris.

Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> When "send the police" is the only tool
> dispatchers have, that's what they do.
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> Posted from Android

UNTIL it can be ascertained there was no crime and will be no crime/violence, i think sending the police is the safe thing to do..........

66

goneon66 Wrote:
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> Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> > When "send the police" is the only tool
> > dispatchers have, that's what they do.
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> > Posted from Android
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> UNTIL it can be ascertained there was no crime and
> will be no crime/violence, i think sending the
> police is the safe thing to do..........
>
> 66

That hasn't been a satisfactory resolution for folks who end up dead. Officers and sick people.

A naked guy waving a machete may not respond to a command as an officer intends.

Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> > > When "send the police" is the only tool
> > > dispatchers have, that's what they do.
> > >
> > > Posted from Android
> >
> > UNTIL it can be ascertained there was no crime
> and
> > will be no crime/violence, i think sending the
> > police is the safe thing to do..........
> >
> > 66
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> That hasn't been a satisfactory resolution for
> folks who end up dead. Officers and sick people.
>
> A naked guy waving a machete may not respond to a
> command as an officer intends.

what is YOUR remedy for a "satisfactory resolution" with a person waving a machete in public?

66

Stating a resolution is easy (everyone leaves alive is a happy ending). Writing a process that gets to that point is the hard part. Meanwhile I hope people have a safe ride home and don't have their train derailed by someone misdirecting their creativity.

goneon66 Wrote:
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> > > > When "send the police" is the only tool
> > > > dispatchers have, that's what they do.
> > > >
> > > > Posted from Android
> > >
> > > UNTIL it can be ascertained there was no
> crime
> > and
> > > will be no crime/violence, i think sending
> the
> > > police is the safe thing to do..........
> > >
> > > 66
> >
> > That hasn't been a satisfactory resolution for
> > folks who end up dead. Officers and sick
> people.
> >
> > A naked guy waving a machete may not respond to
> a
> > command as an officer intends.
>
> what is YOUR remedy for a "satisfactory
> resolution" with a person waving a machete in
> public?
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> 66

People trained in psychiatric intervention are better qualified to answer that question than I am.  That's why I've suggested they are better first responders in some cases than the police.

Telling him to drop the machete, and shooting him if he doesn't,  has some obvious shortfalls as an operational protocol.  The system is clearly broken, and many police officers are placed in situations where they lack appropriate training.

Post the job for "Unarmed Police Officer - Must be certified in psychology and deescalation" and see how many people apply.

The British model (first responder police armed with night sticks) works in a country where guns are not prevalent. But in a country when practically anyone an officer comes into contact with could be armed most police officers want to be better armed than anyone who is a threat. And I don't blame them.