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Passenger Trains > US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc?Date: 09/19/21 19:41 US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: pdt With the recent popsting of the Alaska , and RBMN... I was wondering..are their any other US RR's that are running mainline style passenger service (ovr 40 miles, +- 40 MPH, and to a destination, even if it is just excusrion service.
I guess D-L/Steamtown and FEC/Brightline would qualify. Im looking for other than govt agency trains running on pvt rr tracks. Date: 09/19/21 19:47 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: DevalDragon Alaska is certainly a government organization.
I suppose Metra's service on the UP or BNSF would qualify with freight railroad crews operating passenger trains. I'm not sure if there's another example of a freight railroad that still physically operates passenger trains anywhere. Date: 09/19/21 19:50 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: PHall Well the Alaska Railroad is owned and operated by the State of Alaska, so they don't meet your criteria.
Date: 09/19/21 21:03 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: Greyhounds PHall Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Well the Alaska Railroad is owned and operated by > the State of Alaska, so they don't meet your > criteria. I disagree. A state government is a government. Date: 09/19/21 21:49 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: PHall Greyhounds Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > PHall Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Well the Alaska Railroad is owned and operated > by > > the State of Alaska, so they don't meet your > > criteria. > I disagree. A state government is a government. Was answering the first post in the thread, he was looking for a non government owned railway that ran it's own passenger service. Date: 09/19/21 21:53 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: SCAX3401 Greyhounds Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > PHall Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Well the Alaska Railroad is owned and operated > by > > the State of Alaska, so they don't meet your > > criteria. > I disagree. A state government is a government. Isn't that what he said? I am so confused. PHall is saying that the State of Alaska is a government thus doesn't meet the "other than government agency trains" requirement of the original post. You disagree but then say the same thing. Again, I am confused. Date: 09/20/21 07:06 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: 2904 BNSF crews also operate Northstar and Sounder trains.
Posted from iPhone Date: 09/20/21 07:52 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: PE-717 Would the Arkansas and Missouri qualify? Springdale to Van Buren at 49 mph.
Posted from iPhone Date: 09/20/21 08:19 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: jgilmore Maybe the OP meant for-profit outfits that run both, gov't or not? Alaska would qualify. How many gov't agencies are for-profit or run any freight?
Obviously, RBMN would as a private outfit, as would A&M and maybe a few others... JG Date: 09/20/21 09:38 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: DevalDragon jgilmore Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe the OP meant for-profit outfits that run > both, gov't or not? Alaska would qualify. How many > gov't agencies are for-profit or run any freight? The Alaska Railroad isn't for profit; their passenger operations are heavily subsidized. Date: 09/20/21 09:42 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: jst3751 I think maybe a better question to be asked is:
Is there a normal passenger train operation that is NOT subsidized by a government entity? Date: 09/20/21 10:15 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: trainjunkie DevalDragon Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The Alaska Railroad isn't for profit; their > passenger operations are heavily subsidized. Oh they are "for profit". Passenger business accounts for about 25% of their revenue (pre COVID). FTA funds and other grant money offsets expenses but their goal is to operate at a profit. For-profit and non-profit are tax status categories, not business models. Date: 09/20/21 10:39 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: jgilmore How many run both big-time mainline freight and regularly scheduled passenger service? That seems to be the heart of it...
JG Date: 09/20/21 11:24 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: NGotwalt jgilmore Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > How many run both big-time mainline freight and > regularly scheduled passenger service? That seems > to be the heart of it... > > JG One, Florida East Coast/Brightline. Yes I know they’re technically separate companies, but for this argument one’s trains run on the others railroad. Posted from iPhone Date: 09/20/21 12:19 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: Jishnu NGotwalt Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > jgilmore Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > How many run both big-time mainline freight and > > regularly scheduled passenger service? That > seems > > to be the heart of it... > > > > JG > > One, Florida East Coast/Brightline. Yes I know > they’re technically separate companies, but for > this argument one’s trains run on the others > railroad. > > Posted from iPhone Just to add to the confusiion the railroad is actually operated by a jointly owned subsidiary - The Florida Dispatching Company. Of course the two holding companies Brightline East and FECR) are very separate companies, owned by completely separate entities. Date: 09/20/21 13:38 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: DevalDragon trainjunkie Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > DevalDragon Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The Alaska Railroad isn't for profit; their > > passenger operations are heavily subsidized. > > Oh they are "for profit". Passenger business > accounts for about 25% of their revenue (pre > COVID). FTA funds and other grant money offsets > expenses but their goal is to operate at a profit. > For-profit and non-profit are tax status > categories, not business models. The Alaska railroad is a state owned corporation that is operated like a private business. Sounds quite similar to Amtrak's business model. Date: 09/20/21 16:35 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: Topfuel PE-717 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > Would the Arkansas and Missouri qualify? > Springdale to Van Buren at 49 mph. Yes, I would say the A&M qualifies, though it is a tourist RR-type passenger train, and not a 7 day a week operation. Date: 09/21/21 05:46 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: PlyWoody All Abroad Florida / Brightline is not a railroad, It is a contractor running or intending to run an Interurban Rapid Transit which is Intrastate. This is outside of the FRA limit of jurisdiction. They do not come under FELA (Federal Employee Liability Act) or the RRR (Federal Railroad retirement system. If Brightline was a railroad, both or the FELA and RRR would apply to them.
Just Google "All Aboard Florida, Surface Transportation Board Decision Docket FD 35680" and read the seven page rulling that created the status of the intrastate operation. NGotwalt Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > jgilmore Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > How many run both big-time mainline freight and > > regularly scheduled passenger service? That > seems > > to be the heart of it... > > > > JG > > One, Florida East Coast/Brightline. Yes I know > they’re technically separate companies, but for > this argument one’s trains run on the others > railroad. > > Posted from iPhone Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/21 09:38 by PlyWoody. Date: 09/21/21 06:11 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: PlyWoody The Durango & Silverton NG Railroad operates freight and passenger under the tariffs and regulation as a interstate carrier as the Silverton Branch was denied abandonment in 1969 and ordered by the ICC to continue their interstate freight rates. When the D&RGW sold the property, the new owner, and it was later sold to a second new owner, both accepted and continue the through interstate freight tariffs. This is regardless of the transfer of loads between rail to Motorway and back to rail for this traffic as that is included in the tariff. But they do not go over 40 MPH so will not fit your goal of question. This status must continue until the Surface Transportation Board receive any application for any abandonment and they rule on the application. The Silverton Branch had never been abandoned.
Date: 09/21/21 07:09 Re: US railroads running main line freight & passenger svc? Author: jst3751 PlyWoody Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > All Abroad Florida / Brightline is not a > railroad, It is a contractor running or > intending to run an Interurban Rapid Transit which > is Intrastate. This is outside of the FRA limit > of jurisdiction. They do not come under FELA > (Federal Employee Liability Act) or the RRR > (Federal Railroad retirement system. If Brightline > was a railroad, both or the FELA and RRR would > apply to them. > Just Google "All Abroad Florida, Surface > Transportation Board" and read the 10 page rulling > that created the status of the intrastate > operation. Definition of railroad does not include or require jurisdiction under federal authorities. |