Passenger Trains > link: nyc subway testing gates to prevent being pushed on tracks

https://www.businessinsider.com/nyc-subway-testing-platform-gates-riders-pushed-onto-tracks-mta-2023-6?op=1

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If  4  million  peop[le  ride  daily  wwhat  %  get  pushed  to  tracks?/  I  can not come up with a number  that small. Crossing  the  street  however I  am on high alert!!

cutboy1958 Wrote:
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> If  4  million  peop[le  ride  daily  wwhat
>  %  get  pushed  to  tracks?/  I  can not
> come up with a number  that small. Crossing  the
>  street  however I  am on high alert!!

gates to prevent vulnerable people from being pushed onto the tracks in front of subways is a good idea in this day and age..........

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Cost/benefit doesn't work.
They are going to spend $100 million for 3 stations There 469 more to go. At that rate, it will be $15.477 Billion. Some are physically impossible to intall with stairways and pillars leaving no place walk with a platform door, and there are platforms on curves. This is not the Washington Metro. 

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> Cost/benefit doesn't work.
> They are going to spend $100 million for 3
> stations There 469 more to go. At that rate, it
> will be $15.477 Billion. Some are physically
> impossible to intall with stairways and pillars
> leaving no place walk with a platform door, and
> there are platforms on curves. This is not the
> Washington Metro. 

what would be your suggestion to prevent people from being pushed onto the tracks?

just curious.........

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goneon66 Wrote:
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> joemvcnj Wrote:
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> -----
> > Cost/benefit doesn't work.
> > They are going to spend $100 million for 3
> > stations There 469 more to go. At that rate, it
> > will be $15.477 Billion. Some are physically
> > impossible to intall with stairways and pillars
> > leaving no place walk with a platform door, and
> > there are platforms on curves. This is not the
> > Washington Metro. 
>
> what would be your suggestion to prevent people
> from being pushed onto the tracks?
>
> just curious.........
>
> 66

How many decades are you willing to wait for the money to show up and what capital programs do you kill to divert money to this ?

Increased police presence, jailings, mental health institutions, broken windows strategy, fare beating crackdowns.

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NYC could do like they have on the new Elizabeth Line in London. Transparent wall with sliding doors where the cars doors are. 

Situational awareness, which is what 99.5% of New Yorkers have.  Rode the A, E, F, & C for 10 yrs in the 80's and 4,5,6 lines in early 90's.  But police presence and locking people up can't be ignored.

One problem with door gates on the platforms is the subway cars are of many different vintages and lengths. Stopping at the same platforms.  Which means the doors on the trains and doors on the gateways won't always line up. 

It would be nice if the subway cars were all the same length, and had doors in the same location, but that won't happen.

rkennedy2 Wrote:
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> Situational awareness, which is what 99.5% of New
> Yorkers have.  Rode the A, E, F, & C for 10 yrs
> in the 80's and 4,5,6 lines in early 90's.  But
> police presence and locking people up can't be
> ignored.

Exactly, when I lived in Brooklyn and Manhattan I rode the subway near daily for close to 20 years and nothing beats situational awareness. Along with some simple steps like standing with your back against the wall or one of the big metal beams near the tracks, that way no one can get you from behind. Stand away from people, always look around (you can hold a tabloid and still watch people), and don't move to the train until it starts to pass the platform, no tracks to be pushed onto. And if you don't make the crush, quickly move back to previous stance until the next one. Simple and effective, no problems in all those years...

JG

Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> One problem with door gates on the platforms is
> the subway cars are of many different vintages and
> lengths. Stopping at the same platforms.  Which
> means the doors on the trains and doors on the
> gateways won't always line up. 
>
> It would be nice if the subway cars were all the
> same length, and had doors in the same location,
> but that won't happen.

Once the 625 R68's and 746 R46's are gone, which are 75 foot cars, there will be some uniformity on the "B" division, but that will take the rest of this decade.

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joemvcnj Wrote:
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> Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> > One problem with door gates on the platforms is
> > the subway cars are of many different vintages
> and
> > lengths. Stopping at the same platforms. 
> Which
> > means the doors on the trains and doors on the
> > gateways won't always line up. 
> >
> > It would be nice if the subway cars were all
> the
> > same length, and had doors in the same
> location,
> > but that won't happen.
>
> Once the 625 R68's and 746 R46's are gone, which
> are 75 foot cars, there will be some uniformity on
> the "B" division, but that will take the rest of
> this decade.
>
> Posted from Android


Yes. But that is only BMT heritage lines.

Looking at TA's service alerts, a hotbed for delays from NYPD addressing disruptive individuals tend to be Jackson Hts (Queens), 14th St Union Square, and West 4th Street stations. Yet, there is seldom anything going on at nearby PATH stations at 14th Street, 9th Street, and Christopher street. They are smaller mezzanines and platforms, PATH conductors are out in the open in the 1st car, surveillance cameras, and Port Authority police presence. 

Lackawanna484 Wrote:

> Yes. But that is only BMT heritage lines.

IRT lines are down to two types of cars, always 51 feet in length - R62 and R142.

Door positions on IRT cars always had to be rather uniform, give or take a foot, due to moving platform grids at South Ferry on the west side and 14th Street on the Lex.  

Treating symptoms, not the cause.

Highspeed Wrote:
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> Treating symptoms, not the cause.

Of course you're right. That doesn't mean don't do it. The cause is incredibly complex, far outside the subway's realm. But if the subway can make their patrons safer, even if only at some of the busier stations, more power to them.

Thanks!

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goneon66 Wrote:
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> joemvcnj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cost/benefit doesn't work.
> > They are going to spend $100 million for 3
> > stations There 469 more to go. At that rate, it
> > will be $15.477 Billion. Some are physically
> > impossible to intall with stairways and pillars
> > leaving no place walk with a platform door, and
> > there are platforms on curves. This is not the
> > Washington Metro. 
>
> what would be your suggestion to prevent people
> from being pushed onto the tracks?
>
> just curious.........
>
> 66

As a former NYC commuter who used the subway routinely and regularly, it is SO SAD that members in society have sunk this low, thinks this poorly of others, and have gotten this demented so as to purposely push people in front of subway trains. Why are they pushing people in front of trains in the first place - THAT'S the problem to go after,. That's a lot of tax payer money to be spent while the main problem - "the pusher" - will just be left on the streets to find something else to push the harm onto. Is this really going to treat the problem, let alone solve the problem? NO! Absolutely crazy. 

goneon66 Wrote:
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> joemvcnj Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Cost/benefit doesn't work.
> > They are going to spend $100 million for 3
> > stations There 469 more to go. At that rate, it
> > will be $15.477 Billion. Some are physically
> > impossible to intall with stairways and pillars
> > leaving no place walk with a platform door, and
> > there are platforms on curves. This is not the
> > Washington Metro. 
>
> what would be your suggestion to prevent people
> from being pushed onto the tracks?
>
> just curious.........
>
> 66

More mental hospitals, prisons and forced rehab centers. Three strikes laws.

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jp1822 Wrote:
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> goneon66 Wrote:
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> > joemvcnj Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Cost/benefit doesn't work.
> > > They are going to spend $100 million for 3
> > > stations There 469 more to go. At that rate,
> it
> > > will be $15.477 Billion. Some are physically
> > > impossible to intall with stairways and
> pillars
> > > leaving no place walk with a platform door,
> and
> > > there are platforms on curves. This is not
> the
> > > Washington Metro. 
> >
> > what would be your suggestion to prevent people
> > from being pushed onto the tracks?
> >
> > just curious.........
> >
> > 66
>
> As a former NYC commuter who used the subway
> routinely and regularly, it is SO SAD that members
> in society have sunk this low, thinks this poorly
> of others, and have gotten this demented so as to
> purposely push people in front of subway trains.
> Why are they pushing people in front of trains in
> the first place - THAT'S the problem to go after,.
> That's a lot of tax payer money to be spent while
> the main problem - "the pusher" - will just be
> left on the streets to find something else to push
> the harm onto. Is this really going to treat the
> problem, let alone solve the problem? NO!
> Absolutely crazy. 

The voices in their heads tell them to do it. Lock them up.

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