Railfan Technology > THe very latest Canon 5D Mark IV rumor - dated March 2nd, 2016

I check Google nearly every week for any news on the 5D Mark III replacement.

It's been very quiet regarding the update for this 3 year old camera that pales
in comparison to the current, and even past, crop of Nikon cameras (specifically,
in regards to the dynamic range and cleaner high ISO capabilities. 

The current rumor had been 28 MP, 4K reserved for another model and perhaps
as much as 9 fps but no word on the dynamijc range (Canon is like 11.7 vs
Nikon which I think is 14.5(!)).

This later Google translated for now, rumor only suggests 24 MP, 4K - no word
on fps, but (really??) the removal of the CF in place, an SD and a Compact Flash,
and for the first time I've seen - the much desired higher dynamic range!

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photografix-magazin.de%2Fblog%2F2016%2F03%2F01%2Fcanon-eos-5d-mark-iv-neuer-name-4k-verbesserter-dynamikumfang%2F&edit-text=&act=url

/Mitch

I've been watching too since I sold my 5D2. I'm leaning toward a 5D3 as the replacement, unless there are some killer features that would make the additional expense worth it for me.

Ryan Wilkerson
Fair Oaks, CA

RyanWilkerson Wrote:
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> I've been watching too since I sold my 5D2. I'm
> leaning toward a 5D3 as the replacement, unless
> there are some killer features that would make the
> additional expense worth it for me.

I might know where you could get one used, lol!

If the dynamic range is not improved, I'm gonig
Nikon.

https://fstoppers.com/originals/5d-mark-iv-may-well-make-or-break-canon-86462

/Mitch

There was just something on Canon Rumors last night, about some dealers getting stock availability messages that indicate the 5D3 may be ending its production run.

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Having taken handheld shots with my 5D mark iii at f4, 1/160th at ISO 25,600 of two men holding small candles as the total illumination on the scene with minimal noise straight out of the camera (SOOC), I can state firsthand that the ISO capabilities of the 5Diii are more than sufficient for nighttime railroad shots.  See my night shots posted about a year ago Intermodal night shots. While it's nice to have a camera that can do fantastic things on full Auto, for the difficult shots, there's no substitute for manual mode.

Mitch is the kind of guy that probably shoots in manual mode more than most, judging by his photographs here. He's looking for the best next camera. Here's an image search of the TO uploads:
http://www.trainorders.com/images2/index.php?category=0&search=mgoldman&author=on

Ryan Wilkerson
Fair Oaks, CA

BRAtkinson Wrote:
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> Having taken handheld shots with my 5D mark iii at
> f4, 1/160th at ISO 25,600 of two men holding small
> candles as the total illumination on the scene
> with minimal noise straight out of the camera
> (SOOC), I can state firsthand that the ISO
> capabilities of the 5Diii are more than sufficient
> for nighttime railroad shots.

Canon cameras do well where there is light... it's
when you have darkness you want better exposed,
that you run into issues with Canon.

Specifically - let's say you are shooting into the
Sun but still want some detail vs a silhouette.  Or,
you are shooting a low light ambient scene... a
Nikon will give you much better results - and better
lattidue in post processing.

Here's a link that pretty much illustrates my point:
http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/CanonvNikon.jpg

And Ryan is correct - the only camera I have set
to "Auto" is my I-Phone.

/Mitch

These are the kind of lighitng situations I believe (currently) most would
fare better with the increased dynamic range of the Sony sensor found
in the Nikon:

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/attachments/fullsize/1065000/ACS_64_619_Skyline_BL_LR.jpg

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/attachments/fullsize/703000/SRR_90_Switching_S_LR.jpg

/Mitch

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Getting closer?

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.photografix-magazin.de%2Fblog%2F2016%2F03%2F09%2Fcanon-eos-5d-mark-iv-praesentation-in-wenigen-tagen%2F&edit-text=&act=url

/Mitch

I think the term is 'pixel peeping'...

My first point is that in the type of images that are being shown here (high contrast) then in actuality the human eye would be struggling with dynamic range and wouldn't be pulling huge detail out of the shadows anyway.
My second point is that whatever medium is being used to view photographs will have a relatively poor dynamic range versus any modern dslr and the human eye, therefore it's arguably pointless having a colossal dynamic range in the first place.
My third point is more 'visceral'/practical and is based on what i see. According to my annual medical assessment I have 20/10 visual accuity (20/20 is classified as good normal vision), or possibly slightly better, which is basically about as good as human eyesight gets. When i look at photos taken with Canon dslr's i don't find myself thinking that there's a problem with detail in the shadow areas. I guess i'm not alone on this as the majority of professional photographers seem to shoot with Canons.

In a nut shell - should you desire more detail in the shadows and detail that is not pixelated and full of lots
of little green and purple dots - you may be better off with a Nikon /Sony sensor.  The link(s) above show it
all - specifically the link that ends with "CanonvsNikon". 

Now - if you shoot under sunny skies, or full flash, either camera will suit ya.

Lastest as of 4-7-2016:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dcfever.com%2Fnews%2Freadnews.php%3Fid%3D16119&edit-text=&act=url

28 MP  9 fps  GPS /WIFI and $3,500.00   No word on the dynamic range of the new sensor.
Seems a bit steep considering the D750 is out at under $2,000.00 but you do get 4 extra MP
and 4 extra fbp.  Perahaps it's the 4K video driving up the cost - shame that didn't reserve that
for another varient of the 5D to lower the cost.

Sounds like May announcement - August availability?  Uhg.

/Mitch

The latest thing to bear in mind if you are obsessed with dynamic range is that Canon are changing their sensor technology...their newly released EOS 80D for example has a much improved dynamic range. For the details go to the 'dpreview' website and look up the EOS 80D.

Apparently it's all to do with whether your sensor processes signals on or off-chip.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/16 03:31 by exhaustED.

exhaustED Wrote:
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> The latest thing to bear in mind if you are
> obsessed with dynamic range is that Canon are
> changing their sensor technology...their newly
> released EOS 80D for example has a much improved
> dynamic range.


Well, that's disheartening....

From DP Reivew:
"As you can see, the 80D is contributing less noise to
its images than the 70D did, and this difference will be
evident when you try to pull shadows up. It isn't quite a
match for the Nikon D7200,"

Compare to the D750 and the difference is VERY
significant in favor of NIKON yet $1,500 less regarding
the quality of the image (though with the lower priced
Nikon D750 you lose fps and 4K video).

http://www.dpreview.com/news/7168986570/canon-shows-dynamism-eos-80d-breaks-new-ground-for-canon-low-iso-dr

/Mitch

 

The camera-buyer is very much spoilt for choice these days, with superb image quality very easily achievable. I'm a bit tempted by an 80D but have only had my 70D for a little over a year...

exhaustED Wrote:
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> The camera-buyer is very much spoilt for choice
> these days, with superb image quality very easily
> achievable. I'm a bit tempted by an 80D but have
> only had my 70D for a little over a year...

Camera bodies are like cars - you can get a lot more
for them if you don't wait to long - as opposed to a good
lens which will always hold its value.

Considering how much nicer the D750 is vs the D7200,
in regards to noise /dynamic range - I'm going to hold
out, fingers crossed, and see if the same turs out to be
true with the 5D Mark IV vs the 80D.  The 80D is a giant
leap forward for Canon but still no match for dated Nikon
performance.

The rumored bump in resolution and extra  fps is nice but the
dyanmic range boost needs to be significant for the $1,500
premium over Nikon D750.

AS for 70 to 80, you might consider if as you'll get much more
now for the 70D then later, though the biggest improvment I
see is video )(60 vs 30 fps) and much better dynmaic range if
you like to shot contrasty scenes (and be able to pull the detail
out of the shadows without going into a purple haze).

/Mitch

 

Mgoldman Wrote:
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> The rumored bump in resolution and extra  fps is
> nice but the
> dyanmic range boost needs to be significant for
> the $1,500
> premium over Nikon D750.
>
> AS for 70 to 80, you might consider if as you'll
> get much more
> now for the 70D then later, though the biggest
> improvment I
> see is video )(60 vs 30 fps) and much better
> dynmaic range if
> you like to shot contrasty scenes (and be able to
> pull the detail
> out of the shadows without going into a purple
> haze).
>
> /Mitch
>
>  

Decisions, decisions... i quite like the smaller 'footprint' that Nikon seem to achieve with their cameras i.e. their cameras are a little more compact for an equivalent spec. - a bit of a consideration for me as i often do a fair bit of tramping about to get to some more remote locations.
The 80D also has improved autofocus, more dynamic range, 100% viewfinder vs the 70D....

Latest rumors suggest the Canon 5D Mark IV will be introduced in May? but not available until
September....

And at a whopping $3,500.00 - which doesn't sound bad until you look at what the current (1 year
old Nikon D750 offfers - at least in image quality) at under $2,000 today.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fhanoimoi.com.vn%2FTin-tuc%2FDien-thoai%2F830463%2Fcanon-eos-5d-mark-iv-se-ra-mat-cuoi-thang-8-voi-gia-3500-usd&edit-text=

/Mitch

The latest from Canon Rumors:Information for the EOS 5D Mark IV is coming in slowly.We’re told that the new EOS 5D Mark IV, which will be announced in August will have
a new battery grip, the BG-E20. We don’t know at this time if the new camera will use
an LP-E6 series battery or not, though we hope it does.There is no dedicated external wifi transmitter coming for the camera, so that seems to
confirm that wifi will be built-in to the EOS 5D Mark IV.We’re also told that the EOS 5D Mark IV will see the return of the red autofocus point in
AI servo mode.
Read more: http://www.canonrumors.com/tag/eos-5d-mark-iv/#ixzz46uMKshhI
/Mitch

Seems as if some great features have been dropped from the rumor...

No longer expecting 28 MP, now we're down to 24.  9 fps, down to 7.
Have a bunch of CF cards - toss 'em.  No place for them in the new
5D Mark IV.  But you get WIFI, GPS and 4K Video (to miake your
stills look even better??)

The big deal was suppose to be a bump in dynmaic range - rumor
has it, not a jump, but a bump.

http://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?9,4028631

/Mitch

Like Mitch, I too have been Googling every so often for the 5D Mk IV that is rumored to be coming in August.  I'm still shooting a 2009 5D MkII which does very well for its age, but lacks some features that would come in handy. 

Anyway, it seems that some test models are out in the hands of photographers:
http://www.canonrumors.com/canon-eos-5d-mark-iv-being-tested-by-photographers/

Personally, I could care less about 4K Video, which is one of the rumored improvements to the new 5D model.  I'm most interested in improved low-light performance, and ideally, improved dynamic range.  I agree with some of the previous remarks that shooting a Canon into the sun is a guaranteed waste of pixels; this of course is partially the nature of linear sensors but software should be able to address detail preservation in extreme highlight areas.

A couple nice-to-haves, which Nikon has had for YEARS, includes the digital level and multiple exposure, both of which I'd use for night shots a good bit.  I'd also love to have GPS for geotagging, so that I can more easily figure out where the heck I was when I took a photo.

-Alex