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Date: 03/11/20 11:41
Photoshop Elements
Author: pwh

Is it worth buying Photoshop Elements? My main purpose is to clean up slides or improve color, etc. Can it improve slightly blurry images and improve contrast. I don't want pay a monthly fee for online use. Thanks

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Date: 03/11/20 12:27
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: hot_tub

I use Elements to clean my slide scans because I find it easier/quicker than Lightroom.  The Easy Smart fix does a good job of enhancing everything too, but it does seem to add a green cast.  After using Elements, I import into Lightroom to finish processing (I have the last version you could buy outright - I think it is still avaliable).  If you are not in a hurry, keep an eye on the B&H deals of the day.  Every now and then, Elements shows up at a significant dicsount.

Date: 03/11/20 14:15
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: chico

first 30 days free

Date: 03/11/20 14:21
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: Frisco1522

I moved over to Elements from Photoshop several years ago.   I don't get involved in super heavy work, so Elements serves me well.  Most of what I scan are old PC, 616 and other old stuff.   Works fine for me.

Date: 03/11/20 15:08
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: twjurgens

I'm using Elements and like it.  hot_tub is correct about the auto fix adding a greenish cast.  I haven't been able to correct that so generally don't use it.  It's an inexpensive alternative that does a good job!

Date: 03/11/20 16:40
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: BRAtkinson

For me, Lightroom 2020 is my first step editing scanned slides.  Elements 13 is step #2.

I prefer Lightroom as it does everything I generally want to do for my own digital photography as well as scanned slides.  Setting white balance with a single click based on a white-ish item in the scene and then tweaking from there is a big time time saver.  Cropping to fix slightly not-horizontal photos as well as sometimes to remove distracting items in the scene is a boon, as well.  So is the ability to apply 'blanket' edits to all the slides such as automatic white balance, automatic tone control (I sometimes adjust each a bit, too), some sharpening, and my favorite new feature: dehazing which brings out the colors better than vibrance and clarity in my opinion.  I also use a number of keyboard shortcuts rather than moving the cursor and clicking something to save time while doing 100+ numbers of images.  Elements doesn't have similar keyboard shortcuts, and one, 're-do', uses a different short cut key in Elements than Lightroom!  Obviously the two development teams have little to do with each other.  Another feature in Lightroom that I haven't found in Elements, (though it may be buried somewhere in the full Photoshop version, but I neither looked for it nor stumbled upon it), is the specific lens correction feature as well as the ability to straighten parallel lines, ie, de-keystoning fperspective eature.  also, I generally stay away from the full Photoshop(part of the $10/mo club) as the various icons on the screen are far smaller than in Elements.  Note that I've been using Lightroom and Elements and upgrading about once every couple of years since about 2008 or so.  So I'm very adept at getting Elements as well as Lightroom to do what I want it to do.

I only have two complaints about Lightroom: 1)  how they 'store' the list of changes made and 2) the 'heal' function sometimes selects weird (undesirable) source locations.   Until I updated from Lightroom 6 to the 'rental' Lightroom 2020 about 6-7 months ago, all the changes made to all the slides appeared to be stored in a single file that was completely 'read' from front to back and then the latest change (ie, click) would be written to the end of that file.  The 2020 version now stores all the changes for each image separately.  That alone was a great speedup in processing large numbers of images at the same time, be it my own 'shoots' or someones' slides.  But after making 50 or so changes, primarily removing the larger dust and scratches, it slows down noticably.  I tracked it down to what I suspect is that for every 'heal' function where it's a circular pattern only, it likely stores the pixel coordinates of the from and to and diameter of the circle.  Moving the cursor to make it a 'streak' or follow a scratch likely records a series of from-to coordinates that indicates the 'path' you took with the cursor.  Hence, I've learned to put off doing any non-circular 'heal' functions until last.  As for the 'heal' function, I've had to learn how to sort-of 'force it' to choose the desired source target.  One way is to include a straight line such as the corner of a wall as part of the 'target'.  That forces it to take the source from somewhere along the same straight line.  Interestingly, however, is it doesn't always line up the straight line when done, so I have to 'move' the source area a bit to line it up.  That's a benefit of LR, too, the ability to 'move' the source and target areas if it doesn't choose what you want or mis-aligns them.  Elements doesn't have an 'after the fact' move capability in its 'heal' function. 

As it turns out, right now I'm in the process of scanning 600+ slides for a family at church.  The slides were taken by her parents in the '50s-'70s.  Some of them seem to have ground in dust that both a brush and a squeeze-bulb blower didn't remove.  Tons and tons of dust!  And some have varying levels of mold that appear like a spider hit with a sledge hammer.  My general method is to use Lightroom to handle the larger, more obvious and/or darker dust specs, one at a time.  I sometimes have to spend 10-15 minutes on a single slide due to there being so much to correct, mostly in the sky portions of the image as dust shows far more there.  If there's dust in foliage areas, I sometimes ignore it as it generally blends in with all the green.  I go to extremes editing for dust and scratches in LR, the most obvious is zooming in using 3x magification of the image to show it most clearly and 'separated' to make an 'easy' target.  The 'heal' function seems to 'grab' different color than the bulk of what is being healed and ends up with a greenish tint if next to foliage, etc.  The trick is to have NO 'other' colors within the circle to be 'healed'.  Sometimes that's impossible, so I have to save that for the Elements 'clone/stamp' tool when I process through the group of images a 2nd time.

What are the advantages of Elements over Lightroom?  I'd have to say the 'clone/stamp' tool for all images and the 'dust and scratches' tool for slide cleanup.  The 'heal' function in Elements oftentimes gets a better result than that of Lightroom, but the 'heal' function in Elements is a fixed, non-adjustable circle size, requiring more moving the mouse around to get a larger area.  Heal does a better job of 'blending in' the area than does Lightroom, in my opinion as it seems Lightroom does it more as a 'clone/stamp' vs Elements 'blending' method.  I use the 'clone/stamp' tool in my own images to remove background clutter and other distracting elements if I think it would improve the image.  In processing slidesas well as my own digital photos, clone/stamp is most useful for detail touch-ups at the 1 to 10 pixel size on the screen.  I have no problem going as small as seeing each pixel on the screen and changing them to do such things as lighten up areas around peoples' eyes to fixing individual letters on a sign somewhere in the photograph.  When I want to be more 'quick and dirty' with my Elements editing, I switch from the 'Expert' mode to the 'Quick' mode.  The quick mode doesn't have the features of the expert mode, but the simple all-in-one image improvement slider helps out, as does lighting adjustments, etc.  Another feature of Elements is that I can manually crop photos to a fixed size without having to go back, open a list box and select the size each time like Lightroom does.  I can set 4x6 once, for example and crop the image as I want it cropped, not what my photoprinting software does automatically.  No need to re-select 4x6 each time.

As for 'red eye' correction goes, both products red eye processing is somewhat 'fussy' in that it only fixes it maybe 50% of the time.  The rest of the time, they do nothing. 

The negatives to Elements is that it can't make 'mass changes' over a group of images like Lightroom.  Nor does it have a quick white-balance setting method that I've found.  Nor can it 'mass export' all or any size group of images at the same time as can Lightroom.  What I do with 100-150 images I've edited as a group is to 'X' out of Elements, and let it scream, image by image about JPG parameters, replace existing file (I copy all my Lighroom images (in a folder named: Lightroom Output) to the folder named: Photoshop Output before opening up Photoshop Elements).  It's four separate 'yes' clicks per image.  To speed things up, I move the popup windows for each of those clicks such that the 'yes' button is in the same physical location on my screen resulting in saving a half-second or more per click by not having to move the mouse!

I was curious about the current Elements 2020 to see if there's anything new that I could use, so I gave it a free 30 day trial starting about 2 weeks ago.  I found it to be a bit 'sluggish' compared to Elements 13.  But the real 'deal breaker' was that I could not install my purchased add-in for noise handling.  I first tried the version I had from 4 years ago, and then downloaded a new version (I didn't know they had free updates!) and that wouldn't install either.  So I contacted the vendor, and I got a reply they only support Elements 15 and earlier due to significant interface problems they had after Elements 15.  So, I deleted Elements 2020 from my computer.  What a joke!  It deleted next to nothing!  The folder was there with all the programs, and if I clicked on its icon still on my desktop, it came up just fine.  I ultimately resorted to a specialized techy-oriented registry cleanup tool and even that didn't automatically clean out Elements 2020.  I ultimately used another registry tool to 'search and destroy' all references to Elements 2020 and deleted all folders in various places to get it off my computer once and for all.  Of course, downloading Elements 2020 'revived' the stupid Adobe Cloud on my computer, so I had to surgically remove that AGAIN, as well!  For what it's worth, even if I don't use ANY Adobe product during the current boot session, I counted 14 different processes that unconditionally start at bootup!  I've disabled each one except the one that keeps Flash Player up to date.  They have a separate 'update checker' for the their the rest of their products.  Why not the two combined?  Why don't the Lightroom staff and Photoshop staff communicate with each other?

Is there a clear winner of Lightroom and Elements?  They both do numerous things in each product that the other one doesn't handle as easily or at all.  For my uses, having them both is what's needed to use the best of each of them to get editing completed.

And one more thing...Elements comes with a built in image cataloging system that allows one to search for 'all SD 40' images,for example.  I don't use it at all.  I simply catalog all images in folders primarily by subject matter or event.  In the case of repeating events, they're all in their own folders, in an 'events' folder.  Sometimes the folders are 3-4 deep.  Could I do a 'find all SD 40' images easily?  No.  I'd have to look at the images in each related folder on my screen as 'extra large icons' and pick from there.  For me, the amount of time saved by not using the indexing system far outweighs once in a blue moon I want to find 'all SD 40' images.

I should note that I run a very 'tight ship' in my computer.  I've removed most of the useless built-in Windows 10 'feature' garbage, and disabled over 50 Windows 10 services to make the most RAM available at all times.  Interestingly, I remove the King.com 'built in' Candy Crush and some other game that's part of Windows 10 and at the next update, it puts them back again!  I've removed various fonts both as files and in the registry one at a time as well.  I have no use for multiple Chinese fonts, for example.  And every time the computer boots, it has to go out and find every font listed in the registry to ensure it is there.  I'm also running an 8-processor computer at 4.6ghz with 16gb RAM and SSD storage.

Addendum added several hours later than above -

I forgot to mention that going to Adobe.com and creating a userid/password, one can download a fully functional trial version of Elements that's good for 30 days.  I didn't check, but it may be possible to download a trial version of Lightroom as well.

Also, having just finished another 3+ hours of processing my friends dusty slides, I'm starting to lean more towards Elements for removing larger & darker dust and scratches as the 'heal' function source selection is getting more and more frustrating in its inaccuracy.  For example, I clicked on a spot on the brides' wedding dress alongside a 'valley' in the material and it grabbed a piece of the trees in the background!  Go figure!

Attached is 2 crops from wedding pictures in the project I'm working on.  In image #1, note the dark dust over the eyebrow of one of the bridesmaids. This is why it's sometimes necessary to get down to the individual pixel level to correct it, something that Lightroom can't do and if you do get to that level of magnification, there's no means to specifically choose a source pixel or 3 or 5.  Image #2 is an heavily cropped example of the level of dust and scratches I'm dealing with, and even something I've never seen before...blue mold!  I should also note that I could probably get rid of most of the dust and scratches using the 'dust and scratches' noise filter in Elements (no such filter in Lightroom), setting it to anything more than a 1 pixel radius results in too much image clarity degredation.  That's why I remove the 'big ones' first, THEN use dust and scratches at the 1 pixel setting.  Also note that using <cntl> F to repeat the previous filter (D&E) makes an improvement at removing the dust and scratches without too much additional degredation vs using D&E at 2 pixels is very noticable.

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/11/20 21:46 by BRAtkinson.

Date: 03/11/20 22:48
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: Plainsman

Regarding noise handling with Elements, you might try Focal Blade sharpening software (https://thepluginsite.com/products/photowiz/focalblade/index.htm) which includes noise reduction. It works well for me (with an earlier version of Elements), and I believe they offer a free trial period.

Date: 03/12/20 16:01
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: chico

BRAtkinson Wrote:
> For me, Lightroom 2020 is my first step editing
> scanned slides.  Elements 13 is step #2.

interesting gonna have to study this approach

Date: 03/12/20 21:38
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: BRAtkinson

Today I managed to slog through all of 16 wedding group of slides through Lightroom only in roughly 11 hours work.  It helps to be retired.

While wearing out my mouse I gave more thought to what are the advantages of each product:
1.  Over and over, I find that Lightroom Classic has far better color and tone control than Element: 
.....A  Being able to set white balance simply by clicking a reasonably white item is the way to do it.  I then tweak the sliders and in some cases, like these slides, the faces are still too orange so I can scroll down and adjust 8 sliders for saturation (+8 for hue, and 8 more for luminance) to pull out the orange.  In the two photos attached, I had to completely remove all magenta and most of the purple colors to get rid of the tint in the slide.  Then I could work on the dust and scratches.  Having all the color controls onscreen along the right side (scrolling down to get them all, if needed) is a super time saver.
.....B  Presence, texture, clarity and dehaze sliders work exceedingly well for making dull images 'pop'.  I sometimes make the 'blacks' in the tone group darker to add some pop as well.
.....C  And if all else fails, I can expand the 'tone curve' box and simultaneously make any number of color adjustments
2.  For slides, and even my own digital images, I always give them a sharpening tweak.
3.  I'll do a bit of noise reduction for my own digital images, but I depend more upon the plug-in product that I've installed in Elements for noise processing.  It also does a great job at smoothing bad complexions, etc.
4.  Being able to adjust (Transform) images to get verticals like door frames vertical again I use as needed.  Obviously, shots of the Grand Canyon doesn't need any vertical adjustments.
5.  Especially with lots of dust and scratches to deal with, the Heal function in Lightroom is fast enough until maybe 50-60 clicks or so.  For me, being able to adjust the size of the healing circle with the mouse wheel is a big plus vs a fixed circle size in Elements.  Sometimes the heal function selects the wrong source location, but I'm getting better every day at after-the-fact moving the source to where I want it...even if I did more 'heals' in the interim.  I simply click the target field with the wrong source and that 'activates' it like it was the last thing done.
6.  Knowing the limits of the 'heal' function not being able to heal very small areas, maybe 10x10 pixels or smaller can be frustrating.  But knowing I can zoom in to individual pixels in Elements saves me from doing numerous heals and un-dos trying to get really close.

On the other hand, Elements has its advantages, too:
1.  It's really quick at every function.  As I've mentioned already, Lightroom starts bogging down after 50 or so clicks of all types, and after maybe 150 clicks, the image sometimes jumps while trying to 'relocate' within an image.  When it gets too annoying, I go on to the next image and finish up either by 'recycling' the LR export for that image as a new image to import and all the fixes thus far have been completed. 
2.  Being able to clone/stamp with any size source area is worth its weight in gold, in my opinion.  It's fantastic for removing elements in an image or simply doing really close-in adjustments.  I've even used clone/stamp to literally 'move' people from one location to another in the image. 
3.  Being able to 'cut out' something in the image and deal with it as a separate layer has saved the day for me a couple times.  I'm a real rookie when it comes to cutting things out, adjusting and putting it back.  I'll be doing a couple of those tomorrow as for whatever reason, sometimes the ladies hands and legs are considerably darker than their face and shoulders. 
4.  I'm sure Elements has some color adjustment capability other than in the 'quick' section.  I just haven't bothered to dig it out as I do my color correcting in Lightroom.
5.  For the times I want to edit a single image, such as one I find online and want to look at it in more detail and then delete, doing 'open with Elements' is far easier than importing into Lightroom, etc.

For my own digital photography, I think using only Lightroom is sufficient for 90% of what I want to do and I could survive if I didn't have Elements.  Processing my own slides mostly from the '70s-'80s, Lightroom is sufficient as although I haven't kept my slides in a cool, dark, low humidity environment all the time, the couple of hundred I scanned 2-3 years ago had very few problems that couldn't be easily handled in Lightroom. 

Scanning someone elses' slides that are completely random in order (did they throw the box of x-hundred slides in the air and let them fall as they may?) is a completely different animal.  The project I'm working on right now is the 4th time I've done other peoples slides and prints.  Every time I've encountered color shifts, fading, tinting, and dust and scratches from minimal to unbelievable.  The project I'm working on now and the previous one introduced me to mold on the slides.  Sometimes, it's in small enough patches of non-critical areas such as grassy areas, water, or sky, so I can simply do a big 'heal' on it and it comes out fine.  One slide I processed tonight, the wedding banquet outdoors, had mold covering significant portions of the table of foot as well as the faces of a couple of individuals.  There's no way I can ever make that slide look 100% OK.  I'm shooting for an "If that's all that can be done, so be it" response from the couple.  Considering it's a circa 1970 wedding and most of the participants, including the bride and groom have passed on, how critical will it be the B&Gs children and grand children?  Considering that the best they had was numerous over or under exposed slides to look at with a hand viewer, I think they'll jump for joy at seeing them on their computer screen or even big TV screen.

Bottom line...if there's numerous problems with the slides, in my opinion, both Lightroom and Elements are needed.  For images where I don't need to do super-small area editing, Lightroom only is probably sufficient 95-98% of the time.

Here's a before and after of the 'money shot' after putting it through Lightroom only, so far.

Date: 03/15/20 19:10
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: LV95032

Blurry and out of focus images can not be fixed in any commercial product today - maybe in the future. Otherwise it does all the other functions you list.
Elements is not a monthly subscription as stated by PC Mag:
"What's more, it doesn't require a subscription, as Photoshop does, while still providing a good many of that program's tools. Photoshop Elements remains PCMag's Editors' Choice for enthusiast-level photo editing software."


pwh Wrote:
> Is it worth buying Photoshop Elements? My main
> purpose is to clean up slides or improve color,
> etc. Can it improve slightly blurry images and
> improve contrast. I don't want pay a monthly fee
> for online use. Thanks
> Posted from Android

Date: 03/15/20 21:59
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: BRAtkinson

Part of my deliberations about upgrading Elements from #13 to 2020 was some of the newer features listed on Adobe's site in the comparison table with Elements 15...2020. Adobe Elements comparison  I could find Elements 15 on ebay for $60, vs 2020 on Adobe for $80.  Given the $20 difference, It would be tossup for me because most of the new stuff after 15 doesn't seem to be useful to me.  Actually, things in 15 like open eyes, turn a frown into a smile and whiten teeth could be useful for my own photography of various events.  Or even in the slides I'm still working on.  In the wedding photos, there were 2 flower girls, both about 8 or 9.  One of them looks like the 'grumpy cat' in nearly every photo with her in it!  I emailed the image to the woman I'm doing the project for (she's in her early 50's, I'd guess) and she said those are two of her older cousins.  I'm still thinking about getting a new 15 off ebay.  That way I get the CD, too.

One of the annoying 'features' of the subscription Lightroom & full Photoshop $10/mo is that it sometimes requires me to sign on to Adobe.com as the product starts up.  Probably to ensure 'connect' to their cloud stuff.  I've only used the cloud for sending a group of pictures back and forth for a high school graduation presentation.  After that, I removed all cloud related stuff that magically appeared on my computer.  And for those folks who complain their Windows computer is getting slower and slower, one of the BIG ones is the cloud!  I had a friend ask me to get his year-old laptop back to the speed it used to be.  He not only had 4 different cloud services starting up (with each of them going through a lengthy synchronization process between laptop and cloud files), but he also had 2 anti-virus/internet security systems 'fighting each other'.  He claimed he had to use 3 of the 4 cloud sites regularly and asked I not delete them.  The 4th one and the 'didn't uncheck some box while downloading some software product' security system both disappeared that day, as did a fair number of useless Windows 10 features like fax and smart card handling services.  And for those who follow the Dilbert cartoon series, the past couple of days have been 'the reality of cloud computing' oriented.

Meanwhile, spending lots of time with Lightroom 2020 and Elements 13 each day has forced me to learn some new tricks.  Even this 72 y/o geezer can still learn tricks.  I had to chase through Adobes' difficult to use online 'help' screens to figure out how to 'cut out' a shape, put it into a new layer, edit that layer, then put it back into the original image.  In one case, I had to remove the grooms' face while in the 'just-married-mobile' as it was purplish-red from the mold.  I also had to remove the brides' right hand and arm while the wedding ring was being put on her finger for the same reason.  I'm hardly an 'expert' now.  But at least I know how to do it.  I also discovered that Lightroom can go further than 3:1 zoom-in but it's a kludge to get to and given the lack of clone/stamp like Elements, not very useful.  On the other hand, I discovered that the 'heal' function in Elements DOES have the ability to have a larger or smaller diameter area in the 'tools options' part of the lower left of the screen.  So, like adjusting brush size and opacity for clone/stamp, one can change the size of the heal.  It's move the cursor to the lower left of the screen, move the slider, then go back to what you wanted to heal vs the mouse wheel controls the size in Lightroom.  It takes a couple minutes for me to mentally shift gears from Lightroom to Elements.  And I frequently hold down <ALT>+click to select the source for 'heal' when only the clone/stamp does that.  Interestingly, the Elements heal function is more accurate than that in LIghtroom, especially when lining up areas of patterns like cedar shake shingles or cloth grilles on loud speakers.  Trying to make it heal significant areas of purple mold tinting required two steps.  First to get the correct tint in the affected area, (I used clone/stamp, maybe next time I'll try cutting it out and editing it as a layer) and then use the heal function to get things aligned nicely and the correct colors.

I'm more convinced than ever that for processing scanned slides and photos, BOTH Lightroom and Elements are needed.  Lightroom especially for the color correcting capabilities and its ease of accessing those controls, and for easy to use white balance setting (click the icon or use the W key to toggle) and easy to use and adjust after-the-fact healing functions.  The 'upright' perspective correction feature is great, too.  That one is not in Elements or Photoshop as far as I know.  Lightrooms' 'mass changes' aka 'SYNC' feature is worth its weight in gold, especially for my own digital photography to apply a number of changes 'across the board', or, at least, in a group of images taken under the same lighting conditions (white balance, tone, etc, etc).  The 'Previous' button does the same thing, one at a time, but copies every adjustment made including heal functions, cropping, etc.  Sync allows selectivity of what is copied 'across the board'.  Alas, there's no SYNC or Previous feature in Elements or Photoshop.

For slide processing, the most useful feature is 'dust and scratches' in the 'Noise' category.  If that was available in Lightroom, I'd ditch Elements...or at least not use it for all my edited slides and digital images.  Clone/stamp in Elements gets a bunch of use as well, especially for 'really close editing' like 10 pixels or less.  There's no corresponding tool in Lightroom.  Another useful feature in the 'noise' category is 'despeckle'.  I use that for deeply underexposed slides that I have to brighten the daylights out of.  What results looks almost like digital noise, and despeckle does pretty good at it.  I then top that off with the plug-in noise handling software I bought back in 2014.  Perhaps the worst I can say about Elements is that getting to the various adjusting controls  (colors, exposure, etc) in Expert mode is a couple of clicks to navigate through 2 or more drop down menus vs a number of on-screen sliders with scroll down for more sliders on the right side in Lightroom. 

And, for what it's worth, I got a free version of Photoshop back in 2002 or 2003 when I bought my first digital camera, a Canon G3, which included a CD for Photoshop LE (Light Edition).  I think the advances in digital image processing in the past 17 years or so is incredible and has possibly eclipsed the advances in CPU design in the same time frame.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/15/20 22:07 by BRAtkinson.

Date: 03/23/20 06:16
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: hot_tub

If anyone was inspired by this discussion to get PS Elements, today is your luck day - B&H Photo has it on sale today for $59.99 ($40 off).  As I said before, they do this one from time to time.

Date: 03/23/20 06:22
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: hot_tub

Stupid me, typed before I fully checked it out - looks like today's special is the video editing package, not the photo editing one.  Sorry 'bout that!

Date: 03/23/20 15:56
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: mojaveflyer

i've used Elements since I started shooting digital photography. I'm on the 5th itiragtionof PSE. I'm very happy with it what it does for  me...

James Nelson
Thornton, CO

Date: 03/24/20 10:54
Re: Photoshop Elements
Author: BRAtkinson

I'm still cooking through the 600+ slides for a family friend.  I DID decide to take the upgrade from Elements 13 to 15 (the last one supported by my noise processing plug in) and got Premier Elements 15 as well at a super price on ebay from Adorama...that 'other camera store' in NYC that I've dealt with from time to time in addition to B&H.  It was a used package including original box and inserts, and apparently Adorama got genuine serial numbers assigned to it as everything installed just like I expected it to.  This will make it 3 purchased video editor programs on my computer now, too.  It'll be interesting to see what that has to offer when I have the need.

Elements 15 has a new face-editing feature that 13 didn't have.  I can now easily put smiles on peoples faces, limited smiles, though, as well as adjust their nose, eyes, foreheads and chins.  I may go back and change the 'grumpy flower girl' to 'smiley flower girl' in one particular wedding photo (see attached).

I'm still learning new tricks with Photoshop as well as Elements.  And I've concluded that neither product, Lightroom or Elelemts, 'does it all'.  There's things that LR can't do and things I wish PE would do.  Add to that a learning curve for each.  But then, I have to deal with everything from 100+ year old historical prints to old slides of mine and others, and recent digital images of my own.  But for digital photos, mostly of trains as this is a railroad forum, I'm thinking Lightroom would be the way to go.  White balance, other color adjustments, cropping and even specific lens correction capabilities are all 'right there' and easily used and accessed.  On the other hand, Elements has a great photo catalog system (according to others), and can do the basic edits in the 'quick' mode just as easily...AND it can go to individual pixel level for 'close in' adjustments like brightening dark circles under peoples eyes.  

Give me a couple weeks to finish the slides and write a more comprehensive comparison of the two products. 

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