Western Railroad Discussion > A carbon capture system that (apparently) works

One of the major elements of pollution in coal fired electric plants is the release of carbon into the atmosphere.  Lots of other nasty stuff, like sulphur dioxide, mercury, etc but carbon is a big part of the release.  It appears that energy company NRG and JX Nippon have created a working carbon recapture system for a conventional coal fired electric plant.  Probably not time to break out the Champagne and release those carbon dioxide bubbles yet, but this is a significant development.

The captured carbon will be used to force more oil (naturally!) out of the ground.  If this proof of concept, prototype can be duplicated, it's a step toward continuing use of coal.

The US Department of Energy and the University of Texas funded a significant portion of this research.


Carbon Capture

Oxy has been using CO2 for several years here in Oil Patch City to recover remaining oil in old wells and they also have CO2 production wells in northeastern NM and pipelines for delivering the gas to the oil patch. The process saves use of irreplaceable fresh ground water or reusable treated city wastewater for oil recovery. However, the use of such techniques solely to satisfy believers in global warming and man-made climate change will, in my opinion, come to an end in future years as the fraud and hoax perpetrated by the politicians and enviroradicals is exposed and actual verifiable science takes the high ground.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/17 07:34 by Cumbresfan.

Our earth has been saturated with CO2 several times in the past. Those who think it won't happen again indeed have their heads in the sand. The entrepreneurs however make money saying they can keep it at bay.

Maybe the railroads can make money loading it in parked hopper cars & charging to store it?

RailNet802, owevaaaah

There are other things in the coal plant exhaust that produce air quality problems. But if we are to survive and enjoy life like we do now some will just have to be as good as possible. Solar and wind are not ever going to totaly replace what forms we now enjoy. The green people will say diffrent but one cannot depend on such forms as wind.

I bellieve solar produces about 1% of US power, wind about 6%. Both have been growing exponentially, but they have a ways to go to make a signficant dent in the energy puzzle

Our earth has been saturated with CO2 several times in the past.


Yes, and when land-based plants spread across the planet, they absorbed a huge amount of the CO2 and greatly increased the Oxygen level in the atmosphere.  These plants and other organic material died and settled into coal and oil beds so that we can now return that lonely CO2 back to the atmosphere.

Cumbresfan Wrote:
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> Oxy has been using CO2 for several years here in
> Oil Patch City to recover remaining oil in old
> wells and they also have CO2 production wells in
> northeastern NM and pipelines for delivering the
> gas to the oil patch. The process saves use of
> irreplaceable fresh ground water or reusable
> treated city wastewater for oil recovery. However,
> the use of such techniques solely to satisfy
> believers in global warming and man-made climate
> change will, in my opinion, come to an end in
> future years as the fraud and hoax perpetrated by
> the politicians and enviroradicals is exposed and
> actual verifiable science takes the high ground.

And, of course, your "verifiable science" will require you to find replacements for almost every scientist who currently studies weather and the climate and, presumably, new methods of doing climate science--the current scientists and methods don't produce the results that you want, only the results that nature creates.

methinks we should practice methane recovery from all the political BS being spouted to combine with all that excess CO2 to make Methanol as an alternative fuel/chemical manufacturing base. Look it up Online.

There is already a power plant retrofitted with carbon capture in North America, but its not in the US:

http://www.saskpower.com/about-us/blog/bd3-status-update-december-2016/

Sask Power's Boundry Dam Unit #3 has been capturing carbon since 2014

-Trevor

Carbon capture ain't the problem.  Carbon capture that doesn't kill the economics of the power plant is the problem.  In the meantime, raw economics is killing coal, even without the added expense of carbon capture.  We can now have as much natural gas as we want, for many decades to come, without sending anybody underground, without managing ash in landfills, without having to use sulfur scrubbers to stop acid rain.

As for correcting  all that "fraudulent science" behind climate change, well, get in line behind the fraudulent science behind the discovery that the earth is round, the fraudulent science behind all those faked moon landings, the fraudulent science that shows that bacteria and viruses cause disease, the fraudulent observation that you can now take a cruise ship through the arctic on the same voyage that killed numerous explorers from 1609 to the 1800s.....

 

march_hare Wrote:
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> Carbon capture ain't the problem.  Carbon capture
> that doesn't kill the economics of the power plant
> is the problem.  In the meantime, raw economics
> is killing coal, even without the added expense of
> carbon capture.  We can now have as much natural
> gas as we want, for many decades to come, without
> sending anybody underground, without managing ash
> in landfills, without having to use sulfur
> scrubbers to stop acid rain.
>
> As for correcting  all that "fraudulent science"
> behind climate change, well, get in line behind
> the fraudulent science behind the discovery that
> the earth is round, the fraudulent science behind
> all those faked moon landings, the fraudulent
> science that shows that bacteria and viruses cause
> disease, the fraudulent observation that you can
> now take a cruise ship through the arctic on the
> same voyage that killed numerous explorers from
> 1609 to the 1800s.....
>
>  

For goodness sake man, what is it with you and facts/rational and logical argument?! Everything you state is heavily loaded with truth, which is very disappointing and a lot less amusing than the utter muppetry that generally gets spouted on forums like this... All those ranting about how wind and solar power is a bit rubbish/unreliable - wait until they really take off, get more efficient and energy storage technology improves.
The quantity of energy swilling about our planet every hour and every day, courtesy of our nearest fusion-ball (the sun) is absolutely staggering. Renewables are gaining ground rapidly and that clean energy can provide more than enough power...renewables are our future and there is a very good chance that in the not too distant future we will get most/all of what we need from them.
As for the idea that thousands of the world's scientists are involved in some conspiracy theory and colluding with governments...if you think that sounds likely you should be getting ready for fame and fortune by writing the successor to the X-files.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/10/17 13:57 by exhaustED.

Even if, and it's a big if, CO2 can be captured that still doesn't 'fix' coal.   There is the nasty problem of the ash and the heavy metals that are in it.  And those containment ponds burst with serious problems - TVA and Duke Power come to mind.

OTOH, a viable carbon capture system fixes gas generation.    But it has to be scaled up to see if it really works or if it is like the 'cold fusion' nonsense of a decade ago.

exhaustED Wrote:
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> Renewables are gaining ground rapidly and that
> clean energy can provide more than enough
> power...renewables are our future and there is a
> very good chance that in the not too distant
> future we will get everything we need from them.

Not likely.  There is a growing public resistance to the "eye sores" of wind energy on both coasts (believe it or not).   The wind Nimby's are a growing concern within the industry.  The wind industry has not done itself any favors by not making sure older wind turbine towers with higher RPM's blades were taken out of service when the lower RPM's towers/blades were placed in service.  The higher RPM's blades are Raptor killers.  That's been proven in the Altamont Pass installations.

Solar has a clearer path forward as long as it does not involve "tower power" projects.  The Ivanpah, CA "tower power" facility is slowing turning into a public relations disaster as they have clearly under reported bird deaths.  The Audubon Society now opposes "tower power" projects and will not support them.  It has put a serious dent in the possibility of future desert projects.  Environmentalists are divided and the debate has become heated both pro and con.  It is slowing momentum.  Nevada killed that states solar rebate program and other states may do the same.  That would be unfortunate since best use for solar is residential use, not solar "farms" in the desert.


Allen

      Ooooooooh! I think I just got renewed too !              no, just a fart.            excuse me, methane.

bradleymckay Wrote:
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> exhaustED Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----..
>  
> > Renewables are gaining ground rapidly and that
> > clean energy can provide more than enough
> > power...renewables are our future and there is
> a
> > very good chance that in the not too distant
> > future we will get everything we need from
> them.
>
> Not likely.  There is a growing public resistance
> to the "eye sores" of wind energy on both coasts
> (believe it or not).   The wind Nimby's are a
> growing concern within the industry.  The wind
> industry has not done itself any favors by not
> making sure older wind turbine towers with higher
> RPM's blades were taken out of service when the
> lower RPM's towers/blades were placed in
> service.  The higher RPM's blades are Raptor
> killers.  That's been proven in the Altamont Pass
> installations.
>
> Solar has a clearer path forward as long as it
> does not involve "tower power" projects.  The
> Ivanpah, CA "tower power" facility is slowing
> turning into a public relations disaster as they
> have clearly under reported bird deaths.  The
> Audubon Society now opposes "tower power" projects
> and will not support them.  It has put a serious
> dent in the possibility of future desert
> projects.  Environmentalists are divided and the
> debate has become heated both pro and con.  It is
> slowing momentum.  Nevada killed that states
> solar rebate program and other states may do the
> same.  That would be unfortunate since best use
> for solar is residential use, not solar "farms" in
> the desert.
>
>
> Allen

Forget the solar tower power idea - a non-starter and not even worth discussing. Also, for wind, there's a lot of America between the coasts! Plus, try thinking a little larger than the US, there is a lot of planet out there that isn't in the US! 

what about the bird deaths related to wind power?????

if u are going to talk about how great wind power is, deal with that fact too.........

66

goneon66 Wrote:
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> what about the bird deaths related to wind
> power?????
>
> if u are going to talk about how great wind power
> is, deal with that fact too.........
>
> 66

Not significant enough to stop it.

CBRL said
"organic material died and settled into coal and oil beds"
Whal the heck is an oil bed. 50 years in oil and gas production and I've never heard that term before.

Dick

Well, better stop running trains cause we kill all the wildlife near the tracks. And all the bird hits with cars. And all the rabbits, deer.........
Just love the view we got driving across Kansas and Iowa. Wind towers as far as the eye could see.....

manmade global warming is the cause of...Less fog, except in the summer,
and less snow, only more intense,
and extra salty seas, with less sodium,
and Anarctica is going to melt away, when it stops gaining ice,
and malaria wilts, but don't throw out your meds,
and huricanes have doubled, just fewer of em.

The consensus is clear, paying carbon taxes to rich white dudes will save the planet.