Western Railroad Discussion > SP AC6000s What are they now?

What road numbers are the ex southern pacific AC6000s today in the Union Pacific Paint?

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Don't believe the SP ever took delivery of the
GE AC-6000's?
George Andrassy

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?3,1170586

SP never had them.

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They were numbered SP 0000-0000.

Pump

SP404? Locomotive not found?

imrl Wrote:
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> SP404? Locomotive not found?

Very good! Yuk yuk yuk!

RickL

Don't believe the AC9s were ever called AC6000s.

Out

Southern Pacific never had ac6000s only Union Pacific and CSX we're the only 2 railroads to own them

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ns7500 Wrote:
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> Southern Pacific never had ac6000s only Union
> Pacific and CSX we're the only 2 railroads to own
> them
>
> Posted from Android

Yes they did. SP had ordered 3 of them and they were to be numbered 600, 601 and 602. One was actually being painted for SP when the SP-UP merger took place. The 3 were then painted in UP colors and given numbers 7012, 7011 and 7012. However, they never receive the 6,000 HP engine and were eventually renumbered into the 7300 series.

That's very interesting and something I had never heard. Thank you for the information and link.

Thank you! That is the kind if answer I was looking for, that was very helpful info on the UP Numbers. Thanks!

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jst3751 Wrote:
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> One was
> actually being painted for SP when the SP-UP
> merger took place.

That sounds like a bad railfan rumor. The SP order was cancelled. They were never built. Take a look at Don Strack's page, Note "a" on the AC6000CWs.

http://utahrails.net/up-diesel-roster/up-diesel-roster-62.php#c6044-7010

MP555 Wrote:
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> jst3751 Wrote:
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> -----
> > One was
> > actually being painted for SP when the SP-UP
> > merger took place.
>
> That sounds like a bad railfan rumor. The SP
> order was cancelled. They were never built. Take
> a look at Don Strack's page, Note "a" on the
> AC6000CWs.
>
> http://utahrails.net/up-diesel-roster/up-diesel-ro
> ster-62.php#c6044-7010

Nothing against Don, but what he is infailible and can not be wrong? The information I have comes from a worker who was involved in painting locomotives. The first unit, to be SP 600, was in the paint process at the time of the merger and had received the main SP Grey paint coat when orders came down to stop work and then to eventually repaint it into UP Yellow.

jst3751 Wrote:
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> Nothing against Don, but what he is infailible and
> can not be wrong? The information I have comes
> from a worker who was involved in painting
> locomotives. The first unit, to be SP 600, was in
> the paint process at the time of the merger and
> had received the main SP Grey paint coat when
> orders came down to stop work and then to
> eventually repaint it into UP Yellow.

I make mistakes all the time. But with the help of many, many interested persons I try to get the information right. Can you tell me what the UP number that the painted SP 600 received? Does your source have a serial number for SP 600? It would be great to have the build date from the decal on the locomotive.

The delivery dates are the date UP accepted the locomotive and placed it in service. In any locomotive's history there are three dates: the build date on the plate (or decal) on the locomotive (the railroads ignore this date); then there is the air brake date which is the date the locomotive becomes operational for FRA purposes (usually at the factory; same as the FRA blue card date), and a formal delivery date. UP only recorded the air brake date to plan for the first 90 inspection, and recorded the delivery date, which is also the warranty date. At that time, the blue cards were being faxed to Omaha, but the data was held until the locomotive entered UP property. There were two copies of the actual FRA blue card. One on the locomotive, and a second copy that is kept on file in Omaha. The delivery date (warranty date) was when the locomotive's information was formally entered into the computer and the faxed copy compared to the second file copy of the blue card. UP 7010 was delivered four days prior to the final merger date. Maybe SP 600 became UP 7011 or 7012.

It is scrambled data like this that was the reason I quit trying to keep up with the current UP diesel roster. I had been doing it since 1978 and it was like stepping off a treadmill. The period after the SP merger in 1996 was the worst.

Don Strack
http://utahrails.net/

>
> It is scrambled data like this that was the reason
> I quit trying to keep up with the current UP
> diesel roster. I had been doing it since 1978 and
> it was like stepping off a treadmill. The period
> after the SP merger in 1996 was the worst.
>
> Don Strack
> http://utahrails.net/


I can only imagine what it must have been like trying to keep an updated locomotive roster after a merger as big as SP/UP. We're talking about renumbering of hundreds maybe even thousands of locomotives and to be able to keep up with that as a rail fan was truly dedication at it's best. I would've most likely thrown in the towel and said to hell with this. You deserve a silver star for that Don.

The other posters, including Don, are correct. The order for SP 600-602 was cancelled after GE assigned serials 49062-49064 to the group. None were were ever painted as such -- I think someone is pulling your leg.

alamode Wrote:
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> The order for SP 600-602 was cancelled after GE
> assigned serials 49062-49064 to the group. None
> were were ever painted as such -- I think someone
> is pulling your leg.

Thanks for the serial numbers. A quick check of the LocoNotes group on Yahoo finds a message from January 18, 2001 (message 14735) that lists a group of blank GE serial numbers. These serial numbers remained blank and were never re-used. The canceled order for the three SP AC6000s are on that list. Here is the LocoNotes message...

>> After reviewing/updating my GE serial number listings back through the beginning of the Dash 8s, I have come up with the following numbers claimed as "unused"---anybody have anything for these holes that I have missed from other sources??? <<

>> 46899
>> 47312-47313
>> 48098-48103
>> 49061
>> 49062-49064 (planned for SP 600-602 AC6000)
>> 50294-50301
>> 50560-50569
>> 50907
>> 50989-51013 (planned for UP 7555-7579, but instead b/n 52459-52483)
>> 51095-51119
>> 51439-51443
>> 51604-51606
>> 51996-51997
>> 52485-52487
>> 52583-52584
>> 52652 <<

>> Once an order is shuffled or canceled, GE is not going back and filling in the blank numbers....so if they are blank, it is likely they will remain that way. <<

I have updated the online UP roster accordingly.

http://utahrails.net/up-diesel-roster/up-diesel-roster-62.php#c6044-7010

Don Strack