Western Railroad Discussion > Stolen Wig-Wag

Well, The Torrance Local didn't go to Crenshaw Lumber on Tuesday but, sometime between Monday afternoon and Wednesday morning, the wig-wag on Denker Ave. in Gardena went missing.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/17 20:14 by crackerjackhoghead.

Sorry to hear the wig-wag was stolen. However it would help if you could fill in some details. Like Sargent Joe Friday said just the facts or 4W's, as in Who, What, When and Where.
Steve Rippeteau

crackerjackhoghead Wrote:
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> Well, The Torrance Local didn't go to Crenshaw
> Lumber on Tuesday but, sometime between Monday
> afternoon and Wednesday morning, the wig-wag on
> Denker Ave. in Gardena went missing.


Very disappointing for a variety of reasons. I imagine even if the perp is found, UP wouldn't bother reinstalling it at this point.

railscenes Wrote:
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> Sorry to hear the wig-wag was stolen. However it
> would help if you could fill in some details. Like
> Sargent Joe Friday said just the facts or 4W's, as
> in Who, What, When and Where.
> Steve Rippeteau


That is all the facts. Sometime between Monday afternoon and Wednesday morning, the wig-wag on Denker Ave., in Gardena, Ca., on the U.P.'s Crenshaw lumber Co. spur (ex P.E. Moneta line), went missing. That's all I know.

I expect the same thing will happen up North in Lindsay, CA. Some of those have not operated in years!
See Dan's Wig-Wag website for pix!

crackerjackhoghead Wrote:
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> railscenes Wrote:
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> > Sorry to hear the wig-wag was stolen. However
> it
> > would help if you could fill in some details.
> Like
> > Sargent Joe Friday said just the facts or 4W's,
> as
> > in Who, What, When and Where.
> > Steve Rippeteau
>
>
> That is all the facts. Sometime between Monday
> afternoon and Wednesday morning, the wig-wag on
> Denker Ave., in Gardena, Ca., on the U.P.'s
> Crenshaw lumber Co. spur (ex P.E. Moneta line),
> went missing. That's all I know.

OK, fair enough, but "missing" and "stolen" are two different things. what it sounds like is that it is "missing," which could mean anything from removed by the RR, to stolen in fact. But you were reporting facts as you yourself admitted, which is not the same thing as speculation. Perhaps you could change the title from "stolen" to "missing."



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/21/17 23:49 by norm1153.

norm1153 Wrote:
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> crackerjackhoghead Wrote:
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> -----
> > railscenes Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sorry to hear the wig-wag was stolen. However
> > it
> > > would help if you could fill in some details.
> > Like
> > > Sargent Joe Friday said just the facts or
> 4W's,
> > as
> > > in Who, What, When and Where.
> > > Steve Rippeteau
> >
> >
> > That is all the facts. Sometime between Monday
> > afternoon and Wednesday morning, the wig-wag on
> > Denker Ave., in Gardena, Ca., on the U.P.'s
> > Crenshaw lumber Co. spur (ex P.E. Moneta line),
> > went missing. That's all I know.
>
> OK, fair enough, but "missing" and "stolen" are
> two different things. what it sounds like is that
> it is "missing," which could mean anything from
> removed by the RR, to stolen in fact. But you were
> reporting facts as you yourself admitted, which is
> not the same thing as speculation. Perhaps you
> could change the title from "stolen" to "missing."

Well, I talked to the signal maintianer and he has no idea what happened to it and my bulletins made no mention of any crossing warning protection missing or malfunctioning but I supposed maybe it was just "borrowed", long term. Perhaps by aliens.

norm1153 Wrote:
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> crackerjackhoghead Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > railscenes Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sorry to hear the wig-wag was stolen. However
> > it
> > > would help if you could fill in some details.
> > Like
> > > Sargent Joe Friday said just the facts or
> 4W's,
> > as
> > > in Who, What, When and Where.
> > > Steve Rippeteau
> >
> >
> > That is all the facts. Sometime between Monday
> > afternoon and Wednesday morning, the wig-wag on
> > Denker Ave., in Gardena, Ca., on the U.P.'s
> > Crenshaw lumber Co. spur (ex P.E. Moneta line),
> > went missing. That's all I know.
>
> OK, fair enough, but "missing" and "stolen" are
> two different things. what it sounds like is that
> it is "missing," which could mean anything from
> removed by the RR, to stolen in fact. But you were
> reporting facts as you yourself admitted, which is
> not the same thing as speculation. Perhaps you
> could change the title from "stolen" to "missing."

why would the r.r. remove a crossing protection device and not replace it with ANOTHER protection device???

66

Didnt the same thing happen to the ATSF wigwag in Vernon in 2002? Odds are it was a rogue foamer. We need 24/7 protection at the Anaheim wigwag.

How do you steal an active wigwag? The motor and banner are up high and weigh around 200 pounds. This took some effort and planning. The thief would need some kind of lift and a big truck.

Stan

norm1153 Wrote:
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> OK, fair enough, but "missing" and "stolen" are
> two different things. what it sounds like is that
> it is "missing," which could mean anything from
> removed by the RR, to stolen in fact. But you were
> reporting facts as you yourself admitted, which is
> not the same thing as speculation. Perhaps you
> could change the title from "stolen" to "missing."

This is an active rail line and active crossing. Railroads don't just remove crossing protection without protecting the crossing in some other way, or taking it out of service completely. If the wig-wag is missing, it has been stolen.

> Railroads don't just remove crossing protection without protecting the crossing in some other way

Change "don't just" to read "aren't permitted to".

EtoinShrdlu Wrote:
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> Change "don't just" to read "aren't permitted to".

Hahaha...unfortunately they do a lot of things they "aren't permitted to". If they didn't, how would the FRA collect all those wonderful fines?

> Hahaha...unfortunately they do a lot of things they "aren't permitted to".

Never mind the fines, which contrary to railfan urban legend aren't all that frequent nor remunerative to the FRA, try this phrase on for size: "remove crossing protection without permission, have an accident there, slam dunk loss of the subsequent lawsuit".