Western Railroad Discussion > BNSF Derailment Creston Sub in Iowa

BNSF has put 30 coal cars on the ground at MP 447 near McPherson Iowa on the Creston Sub. Initial reports say Main 2 is missing a mile of track and No 1 Main pushed over 20 feet. Derailment is accordian style. No ETA on when reopening. Amtrak has requested detour over the UP today for Train 6-11 and for 5-13. 

All for now......

MILW86A 

Uh oh. Sub my son works !

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No. 6 on the move on UP.

BB

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It's a cold winter night sitting in front of the fire so time for a bit of uninformed idle speculation, On past form, once the UP has found a cab signalled leader, they will give 5 and 6 no priority at all and they will lose lots more time. BNSF seems to flood and derail west of Ottumwa quite a bit, so UP detours are not uncommon. Why not send 6 down the Rock from Omaha to Des Moines (40 mph railroad I think, but assume II would be motivated to do a good job,) and then on the BNSF/Wabash to Albia- assume this is a 30mph RR at best.  3.5 hours to Des Moines, 2.5 hours on to Albia. 6.5 hours to Ottumwa vs a 4 hour normal schedule. Usual station stops on to Chicago. Less buses needed. Shades of the Rocky Mountain Rocket. Dozes off into a gentle sleep.

 

Klondyke Wrote:
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 On past form, once the UP has found a
> cab signalled leader, they will give 5 and 6 no
> priority at all and they will lose lots more time.

  Amtrak engines have cab signals that work on the UP. They actually have a cab signal box with two displays on it for position light and seach light style aspects. They're also equipped with a selector switch for UP, Amtrak, Conrail, RF&P, and ICG cab signals. The switch changes the display format and proper reading of the coded rail. Following photos were found from google search.



 

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No C&NW ATC. Too bad the old 400 Fs ain’t around.

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YoungOldHead Wrote:
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> Klondyke Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>  On past form, once the UP has found a
> > cab signalled leader, they will give 5 and 6 no
> > priority at all and they will lose lots more
> time.
>
>   Amtrak engines have cab signals that work on
> the UP. They actually have a cab signal box with
> two displays on it for position light and seach
> light style aspects. They're also equipped with a
> selector switch for UP, Amtrak, Conrail, RF&P,
> and ICG cab signals. The switch changes the
> display format and proper reading of the coded
> rail. Following photos were found from google
> search.

The "UP" setting is for the Overland Route ATC between Ogden and Council Bluffs, I believe it will also work on the OSL east of Portland...

Amtrak does not have a setting for the two aspect ex CNW ATC, they will usually put a freight unit on the point, or, a Metra Engine, but haven't seen that done in a while...

Somebody tried to say that ICG and C&NW cab signals were similar.

ats90mph Wrote:
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> YoungOldHead Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Klondyke Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >  On past form, once the UP has found a
> > > cab signalled leader, they will give 5 and 6
> no
> > > priority at all and they will lose lots more
> > time.
> >
> >   Amtrak engines have cab signals that work on
> > the UP. They actually have a cab signal
> box with
> > two displays on it for position light and seach
> > light style aspects. They're also equipped with
> a
> > selector switch for UP, Amtrak, Conrail, RF&P,
> > and ICG cab signals. The switch changes the
> > display format and proper reading of the coded
> > rail. Following photos were found from google
> > search.
>
> The "UP" setting is for the Overland Route ATC
> between Ogden and Council Bluffs, I believe it
> will also work on the OSL east of Portland...
>
> Amtrak does not have a setting for the two aspect
> ex CNW ATC, they will usually put a freight unit
> on the point, or, a Metra Engine, but haven't seen
> that done in a while...

brc600 Wrote:
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> Somebody tried to say that ICG and C&NW cab
> signals were similar.
>
> ats90mph Wrote:


The now long gone IC cab signals were two aspect, like the original C&NW.
I do not know if the codes transmitted through the rails were the same.
https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,4826670,4826743#msg-4826743



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/19 05:41 by Englewood.