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Date: 02/13/20 14:24
A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: DonWinslow

Here we have 4247 sitting in the hole while 4901 passes on track 3 at Cozy Dell in the Cajon Pass. Now PhotoBob has his own memorial tree (waiting  for him to croak) right above the cab on 4247. Now he can't say we don't have trees down here cuz here's the proof. 

Don Winslow
Glendora, CA
http://www.donwinslow.net/Railroads



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/20 16:06 by DonWinslow.




Date: 02/13/20 14:37
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: bmarti7

WOW! - Superelevated curves and all - you know they don't even know the term, nor is it necessary when track speed is 25 mph.

BB



Date: 02/13/20 14:54
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: skinem

Very nice. The two on the right are what we refer to here in The Land of Oz as our state tree. Damn, that'd be a forest here.



Date: 02/13/20 15:00
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: TAW

bmarti7 Wrote:
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> WOW! - Superelevated curves and all - you know
> they don't even know the term, nor is it necessary
> when track speed is 25 mph.
>
That depends upon the big picture.

I got into a fight with BN over superelevation when the Talgo trains were introduced. BNSF engineering folks insisted that the tilting capabilities of Talgo trains be used to maintain the same speed and reduce superelevation to match. I told them that doing so would violate their contract with Amtrak by reducing the level of utility of the Coast Starlight, which would be required to operate at less than current speed through curves. There was some (understatement) argument and some wanting to know whow I knew that (homework beats BS every time was my slogan).

I redirected the conversation, telling them that I had a way that I could agree to what they wanted. Westward between Havre and Summit, the heaviest trains operate at about 25 mph. The lightest operate at about 50 mph. Eastward, the heaviest trains operate at about 50 mph and the lightest at about 60 mph. It seemed that the curves were over elevated for the westward trains. I told BNSF that WSDOT could agree to reducing the superelevation between Seattle and Portland provided that BNSF remove the excessive superelevation between Havre and Summit.

No! That would affect our intermodal traffic! How could you know that?

Oh, you guys must be new here. I was working the Havre West dispatching district in 1979 and 80.


One would have needed a radiation suit for the response. I won. The Coast Starlight still runs at the same speed it always have and the Talgo train run faster.

TAW



Date: 02/13/20 15:19
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: Ritzville

Now that is GREAT curve shot Don of two trains in the favorite area!

Larry



Date: 02/13/20 15:44
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: callum_out

Not to mention that the superelevation tends to "feed" the train weight into the curve reducing the
frictional drag.

Out 



Date: 02/13/20 15:50
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: 3rdswitch

Nice catch. When I retired speed on this curve was thirty five.
JB



Date: 02/13/20 17:13
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: fbe

Fess up DW, is that an actual biologic tree or one of those disquised cellphone antennas?



Date: 02/13/20 17:20
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: PHall

fbe Wrote:
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> Fess up DW, is that an actual biologic tree or one
> of those disquised cellphone antennas?

If that's a cell phone tower then that's the best camoflage job ever.



Date: 02/13/20 17:32
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: LooseCaboose

PHall Wrote:
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> fbe Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fess up DW, is that an actual biologic tree or
> one
> > of those disquised cellphone antennas?
>
> If that's a cell phone tower then that's the best
> camoflage job ever.

that "tree" above the 4247 is either a cell tower or a giant bottlebrush!  (But the one above the first container on the double-stack train is definitely a good ol-fashioned biological tree..)

This running feud between PhotoBob and Mr Winslow may be creating all sorts of bad blood between them but it's sure generating a lot of wonderful new photos from both parties.. Keep it up, boys!

:-)
Loosey



Date: 02/13/20 17:42
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: photobob

Don I wouldn't get to close to that tree with your pacemaker. We have cell towers up here that are in the shape of a giant cactus.

Robert Morris
Dunsmuir, CA
Robert Morris Photography



Date: 02/13/20 17:53
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: CajonRat

Cell phone tower for sure, driven by it many times.



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Date: 02/13/20 18:20
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: callum_out

Phoenix has virtual biological diversity because of those things though the pines iook a might out of place.

Out



Date: 02/13/20 18:28
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: Press25

I don't typically insert myself into threads, especially between the Esteemed Duo of PhotoBob and Mr. Winslow, but I have to admit that I am most curious as to the composition of the image with the "DIP" sign prominent in the bottom right corner...

Surprised no one else (publicly at least) noticed it.

 



Date: 02/13/20 18:39
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: 462pacific

If you've seen one Verizon Pine you've seen them all.......only the geography changes.



Date: 02/13/20 19:19
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: RailFanAZ

callum_out Wrote:
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> Phoenix has virtual biological diversity because
> of those things though the pines iook a might out
> of place.
>
> Out

So True Out!  Driving on the 202 and Val Vista (I think) there is a Pine Tree North of the 202 that just looks so out of place.... In a Desert!

Nice Photo Don!

Christi Rossi
RailFanning UP & BNSF, AZ
RailFanAZ.com



Date: 02/13/20 19:36
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: czuleget

It will sprout new limbs when it gets a little 5G.
 



Date: 02/13/20 19:36
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: DonWinslow

fbe Wrote:
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> Fess up DW, is that an actual biologic tree or one
> of those disquised cellphone antennas?

That's a cell tower. Stands out like a sore thumb. Perfect for  PhotoBob cuz it's so ugly : >)
 

Don Winslow
Glendora, CA
http://www.donwinslow.net/Railroads



Date: 02/13/20 19:42
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: RailFanAZ

Hey Don, one day you need to get a closer picture of that tree in the background, maybe you will see your pal PhotoBob trying to steal that one too.  ;-)

Christi Rossi
RailFanning UP & BNSF, AZ
RailFanAZ.com



Date: 02/13/20 19:43
Re: A tribute to PhotoBob with this magnificent tree.
Author: DonWinslow

Press25 Wrote:
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> I don't typically insert myself into threads,
> especially between the Esteemed Duo of PhotoBob
> and Mr. Winslow, but I have to admit that I am
> most curious as to the composition of the image
> with the "DIP" sign prominent in the bottom right
> corner...
>
> Surprised no one else (publicly at least) noticed
> it.

> That sign is on Swarthout Canyon Road which is just over the berm so ya can't see it. I was thinking about adding a word to the bottom but it would probably get me kicked off of here. Also there's no bad blood here. We just mess with each other as we've known each other for quite a while
. It's all in fun and a bit of humor. 

Don Winslow
Glendora, CA
http://www.donwinslow.net/Railroads



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/14/20 12:04 by DonWinslow.



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