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Date: 03/27/23 10:13
UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: GrandePete

Hearing that a UP train with no engineer on board left the rails about 3 miles west of Kelso.  Runaway?



Date: 03/27/23 10:57
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: SCAX3401

Hearing it was laoaded ore train and derailed at 80 MPH. Unconfirmed of course.

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Date: 03/27/23 11:04
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: Roadmaster

From San Bernardino County Fire Protection District Twitter feed:

KELSO: #SBCoFD enroute to RAILCAR INCIDENT near KelbakerRd and KelsoCimaRd. Reported multi-car derailment, all cargo, NO passengers. Engine and HazMat companies responding. ^eas

https://twitter.com/SBCOUNTYFIRE/status/1640403601121247237?cxt=HHwWioDU0cmY8cMtAAAA

Matthew

 



Date: 03/27/23 11:13
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: callum_out

If it was an ore train, the only one running is the Utah iron ore train which derailed and spilled a short
time ago near Victorville. Company is becoming quite profitable without ever loading any ore in a ship!

Out 



Date: 03/27/23 11:17
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: callum_out

Length would confirm it's the O-UTS1

Out 



Date: 03/27/23 11:27
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: coach

Isn't KELSO at the base of the long, steep Cima grade?  If so, UP has had run-a-way trains there before.  After one involveing MOW cars that barely had any brakes, and the UP engine which did not have an operating dynamic brake, the Feds wrote a scathing report against the UP.  That train ended up plowing into a train ahead of it.  The train ahead was doing 80 mph, but the runaway was doing 120 mph, and killed several crewman when it hit the caboose at effectively 40 mph difference in speed.



Date: 03/27/23 12:23
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: MrMRL

3 miles west of Kelso are the broad S-curves at Flynn...

~ Mr. MRL




Date: 03/27/23 12:25
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: radar

There's one, unconfirmed report that it was a runaway, and that the crew jumped off an hour before the wreck occured.  It's being described as an iron ore train.



Date: 03/27/23 12:31
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: funnelfan

Someone said that the crew is OK and was found by the CHP.

Ted Curphey
Ontario, OR



Date: 03/27/23 12:50
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: Roadmaster




Date: 03/27/23 13:17
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: funnelfan

It's bad. Reports are that the train was 180 cars long and reached a speed of 149mph before leaving the tracks on a curve. Just a sea of scrap metal now. Good thing the crew jump, doesn't look survivable.

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hazmat-crews-respond-to-train-derailment-near-baker/amp/

Ted Curphey
Ontario, OR



Date: 03/27/23 13:23
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: leon

Looks like compressed iron ore pellets that have been coated with
clay for shipping and later smelting at the steel mill.

 



Date: 03/27/23 13:26
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: bradleymckay

Cima Hill, on the west slope, has always been a dangerous grade. My late grandfather worked steam helpers out of Kelso and UP had all kinds of restrictions and requirements. Today most of those rules are long gone. Running a 25,000 ton iron ore train down that grade was a disaster waiting to happen. UP just has to split that train up into 2 sections or this will happen again.

Allen

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Date: 03/27/23 13:28
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: engineco16

Photos by Stu Mundel, SkyFox11

 








Date: 03/27/23 13:36
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: dan

55 cars 2 engines, safty cabs  saved them perhaps, you can see the crew module stayed in tact if they stayed there

118 mph screenshot



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/23 16:06 by dan.




Date: 03/27/23 13:37
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: engineco16

They jumped. CHP found them, probably up near Cima. 



Date: 03/27/23 13:39
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: HotWater

dan Wrote:
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> 55 cars 2 engines, safty cabs  saved them perhaps

How? Reportedly the crew jumped off well in advance of the wreck.



Date: 03/27/23 13:41
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: stevelv

That second photo of the last 3 confirms that the train was going extremely fast when it derailed.  It's amazing how far the wreckage is from the right of way.



Date: 03/27/23 13:42
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: callum_out

What was it, 2 months ago, when the same train (same symbol) derailed around Frost? The cars are aged, the
train is heavy and as Allen said it was only a matter of time. Thing is though, if the tons per made it up the hill
there should have been enough dynamics to hold it down the hill. Sure be interested to hear from the crew as
far as their power and the uphill climb.

Out 



Date: 03/27/23 13:46
Re: UP Derailment West of Kelso
Author: kurt765

Rumor mill: 180 cars long train
News media: 55 cars + two locomotives

Does UP run 180 car *loaded* iron ore trains through there?





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