Western Railroad Discussion > UP Run-Away

Any information on the UP runaway in the Kelso area?

HardYellow Wrote:
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> Any information on the UP runaway in the Kelso
> area?

Yes. There are at least two threads running, just below.

HardYellow Wrote:
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> Any information on the UP runaway in the Kelso
> area?

Never heard about it...........................

Neither did the other 16,000 hits the thread got.

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Buried to the second page, can't miss the 156 posts and 17,908 hits.

TCnR Wrote:
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> Buried to the second page, can't miss the 156
> posts and 17,908 hits.

I do not know why I ignored all of those posts.

What a fiasco! A lot of institutional knowledge has been lost from the railroad industry

 

Here is a link to the beginning of that thread...

https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,5653581,page=1

Everyone should go to Forum Options and change the List Order to "Sort Threads by most recent post" . IMO that is the best way to go and it should be the default setting

fwiw use the 'Recent' function then go back to surfing by Catagory.

Similar with photos, selecting Static Photography provides thumbnails with most recent photo posting at the top.

But that doesn't mean that thread that someone is following isn't just past the first page of quickee results, for example the Canadian page or model page, or the lower volume interests.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/30/23 12:39 by TCnR.

TCnR Wrote:
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> Buried to the second page, can't miss the 156
> posts and 17,908 hits.


Spoony81 Wrote:
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> Everyone should go to Forum Options and change the
> List Order to "Sort Threads by most recent post" .
> IMO that is the best way to go and it should be
> the default setting

I am curious as to the experience level of the crew involved.I have not seen any reference to this .Any one know? Bill Webb

spider1319 Wrote:
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> I am curious as to the experience level of the
> crew involved.I have not seen any reference to
> this .Any one know? Bill Webb

I'm sure that's of no one's concern except for those involved.

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SPbird Wrote:
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> spider1319 Wrote:
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> > I am curious as to the experience level of the
> > crew involved.I have not seen any reference to
> > this .Any one know? Bill Webb
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> I'm sure that's of no one's concern except for
> those involved.
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> Posted from Android

It's like pedestrian hits/deaths here in the Portland area.  They tell all about the driver and the fact the person was crossing the road in the middle of the night, but never talk aobut their clothing or crosswalks.  Folks here love to wear dark colors top to bottom with absolutely no reflective markings.  And look both ways before crossing, doesn't happen.  And use the crosswealk fifty feet away?  Or walk on left facing traffic?  Doesn't happen!

RR

Not a helpful reply, 'Bird. Bill Webb raises a valid point; the crew's experience level is germane to the situation.

SPbird Wrote:
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> spider1319 Wrote:
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> > I am curious as to the experience level of the
> > crew involved.I have not seen any reference to
> > this .Any one know? Bill Webb
>
> I'm sure that's of no one's concern except for
> those involved.
>
> Posted from Android

eljay Wrote:
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> Not a helpful reply, 'Bird. Bill Webb raises a
> valid point; the crew's experience level is
> germane to the situation.
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> > > I am curious as to the experience level of
> the
> > > crew involved.I have not seen any reference
> to
> > > this .Any one know? Bill Webb
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> > I'm sure that's of no one's concern except for
> > those involved.
> >
> > Posted from Android

I didn't say it wasn't.

SPbird Wrote:
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> eljay Wrote:
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> > Not a helpful reply, 'Bird. Bill Webb raises a
> > valid point; the crew's experience level is
> > germane to the situation.
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> > > spider1319 Wrote:
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> > > > I am curious as to the experience level of
> > the
> > > > crew involved.I have not seen any reference
> > to
> > > > this .Any one know? Bill Webb
> > >
> > > I'm sure that's of no one's concern except
> for
> > > those involved.
> > >
> > > Posted from Android
>
> I didn't say it wasn't.

As a railroader, I am also interested to hear what and why it happened - we all learn from these occurrences and it makes us think (that's why the carriers' use them in rules and work practices).  Fortunately, in this one, no one got killed or (at least I hope) even hurt - that is a hugely good thing.  I absolutely don't even want to know who was involved, but if mistakes were made (or even if they weren't, but something "just went wrong"), I'm safer at my job thinking much more about these situations and how I can (HOPEFULLY) avoid it from happening to me.

All accident reports discuss the hire date and qualifications of crew members involved.For reference checkout the NTSB report on the the previous Cima runaway.I also might afdd railroad internal investigations do the same.As part of the process as a labor rep I have witnessed this and as the accused as well.Bill Webb

spider1319 Wrote:
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> All accident reports discuss the hire date and
> qualifications of crew members involved.For
> reference checkout the NTSB report on the the
> previous Cima runaway.I also might afdd railroad
> internal investigations do the same.As part of the
> process as a labor rep I have witnessed this and
> as the accused as well.Bill Webb

Correct...that was one on the main issues of the Cajon Pass Duffy Street runaway on the SP back in the late 1980's. The road engineer had next to no experience on that section of railroad. He had been a fireman on the Tehachapi Helpers most of the time. The helper engineer, on the rear, was an experienced hogger, but also had no experience working that section of railroad. Seems as someone said there were two units on the Kelso Runaway, and it was an ore train. That sounds like a lot of tons per dynamin axle. 



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/01/23 07:01 by HardYellow.