Steam & Excursion > NKP 765 on the FTW Platform

I parked in the municipal parking garage located next to the NS tracks and former station platform then headed upstairs. I was hoping the 765 would pull on the east side of the platform but it did not. It was worth a shot or two anyway but the photos are not the most artistic. Both photos were taken today.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/13/14 19:21 by JET.

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Whoever counts the most yellow safety vests wins! I just don't get why these unsightly items are needed unless actually working out on the line but they increasingly appear to be everywhere. In the U.K. you can't walk two blocks in any city without seeing someone wearing one (in their case...orange). I know someone will say its so the passengers can recognize who the train staff is. But whatever happened to just proper uniforms. That seemed to work in the past and looked good in the photos too.

They make everybody FEEL better, including the insurance companies.

It's an NS thing.

William Wilson
St. Johns, MI

It's not just an NS thing other railroad do it. It's not for ruining your picture, it's for safety. It's too help me keep me and my friends alive when we are out working on the 765.It's to keep us aware of other NS employees out and about doing there jobs. It's an extra safety precaution. What's wrong with being extra safe. If you worked on the railroad that green vest just might someday safe your life. Won't you want every precaution taken to keep yourself safe
Hogger1225 Wrote:
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> It's an NS thing.

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Have you looked at NS safety records. The number of accidents down since they started using these green vest, instead of the proper uniforms. Street cloths are not proper uniforms. And the 765 crew does have proper uniforms. Theirs are a black long sleeve cotton shirt(that helps keep you from getting burned), long black paints, a 765 crew hat, steel toed boots, safety glasses, leather gloves and ear protection.
Andersonb109 Wrote:
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> But whatever happened to just proper uniforms.
> That seemed to work in the past and looked good in
> the photos too.

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What your definition of a proper uniform
andersonb109 Wrote:
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> But whatever happened to just proper uniforms.
> That seemed to work in the past and looked good in
> the photos too.

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I agree that all those various "high visibility" vests and coats are definitely all about safety. BUT, there is NO REASON to wear those damned things INSIDE THE LOCOMOTIVE CAB! Especially the ones made out of Polyester. Besides the "rules" only require a person to be wearing them while on the ground, and hanging off moving equipment.

While we can debate the merits of wearing safety vests; they are here to stay. I am not familiar with NS rules,but before I retired from the UP , wearing a safety vest was not required in the cab. However, the UP did come up something I liked was that was handing out safety T Shirts that came large enough to fit over coats or could be worn in the summer time as a T Shirt.

They don't have to be worn in the cab, we choose to wear those in the cab. What does it hurt to wear them in the cab. I am sorry but I don't care about whether a railfan gets upset because I leave my vest on in the cab and it ruins there pictures. If they would buy a ticket and ride the train they won't see that I was wearing a vest. What I care about is taking it off in the cab and then deciding to get down to look at something real quick when the locomotive stops and forgetting to put it back on and thus get an ass chewing or worse yet getting hit because somebody didn't see me. It doesn't affect my work at all whether I wear it while in the cab our not
otWater Wrote:
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> I agree that all those various "high visibility"
> vests and coats are definitely all about safety.
> BUT, there is NO REASON to wear those damned
> things INSIDE THE LOCOMOTIVE CAB! Especially the
> ones made out of Polyester. Besides the "rules"
> only require a person to be wearing them while on
> the ground, and hanging off moving equipment.

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nycstl Wrote:
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> They don't have to be worn in the cab, we choose
> to wear those in the cab. What does it hurt to
> wear them in the cab. I am sorry but I don't care
> about whether a railfan gets upset because I leave
> my vest on in the cab and it ruins there pictures.
> If they would buy a ticket and ride the train they
> won't see that I was wearing a vest. What I care
> about is taking it off in the cab and then
> deciding to get down to look at something real
> quick when the locomotive stops and forgetting to
> put it back on and thus get an ass chewing or
> worse yet getting hit because somebody didn't see
> me. It doesn't affect my work at all whether I
> wear it while in the cab our not

Apparently you don't know, or haven't met, someone that was wearing something made out of Polyester in the cab of a steam locomotive, and experienced a "flash back" from the fire. Granted, I work on oil burning steam locomotives, at least the last 38 years anyway, and those Polyester "things" are simply not allowed at least in the cab of 4449. The UP steam program marches to a different drummer anymore since Steve Lee retired.

If your choice is to wear them in the cab, then so be it. However, we on the Daylight Crew do take pride in what our beauty looks like from the OUTSIDE, non-paying railfans or not.

I am not complain about non paying railfan,except the one that complain about everything, green vest, flags on the pilot green or black strewn engines. And yes I have experienced flash backs for a locomotive boilers. I have the third degree burn scares to provide it, because I didn't follow the rules and wear the required uniform. Are you guys required to wear long sleeves when in the cab off the daylight?

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nycstl Wrote:
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Are you
> guys required to wear long sleeves when in the cab
> off the daylight?

No, not required unless the weather necessitates it. We still do NOT wear those damned vests in the cab!

Ok so you are worried and have rules about the polyester vest in the cab with flashbacks, but it's ok for you to wear short sleeve t-shirts in the daylight cab. And you are more worried about appearances? That makes absolutely no sense!!!!!I am sorry but I am more concerned with my personal safety than appearance in a picture and I will continue to wear my safety vest whether it it's required or not
HotWater Wrote:
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> nycstl Wrote:
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> Are you
> > guys required to wear long sleeves when in the
> cab
> > off the daylight?
>
> No, not required unless the weather necessitates
> it. We still do NOT wear those damned vests in the
> cab!

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nycstl Wrote:
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> Ok so you are worried and have rules about the
> polyester vest in the cab with flashbacks, but
> it's ok for you to wear short sleeve t-shirts and
> no gloves in the daylight cab. That makes
> absolutely no sense!!!
> HotWater Wrote:
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> > nycstl Wrote:
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> > Are you
> > > guys required to wear long sleeves when in
> the
> > cab
> > > off the daylight?
> >
> > No, not required unless the weather
> necessitates
> > it. We still do NOT wear those damned vests in
> the
> > cab!

OK, I mistakenly assumed that you were experienced with oil burning steam locomotives.

1) There is no need to be wearing gloves, as NOTHING that the Engineer and Fireman touch is hot. For what its worth, I do put gloves on the sand out the flues/tubes.

2) I have never had a problem with short sleeve shirts, even during a "flash back" as that flame/heat isn't even intense enough to burn my skin. I'm pretty sure that one of those Polyester vests, shirts/jackets/coats would NOT fair as well.

3) Sure don't know why you are so caught up on long sleeve shirts on an oil burner, as there are no cinders to burn anything.

Yea but your arm could get burnt. I got a flash back from a coal burning steam locomotive and had short sleeves on and had third degree burns on my arm right below my slave line. That why. The same thing could happen with a oil burner. What my point is if the vest can burn with a flash back so can your skin and I will pm the pictures later to you. And I do have experience with oil burning boilers just not steam locomotives boilers
HotWater Wrote:
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> nycstl Wrote:
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> > Ok so you are worried and have rules about the
> > polyester vest in the cab with flashbacks, but
> > it's ok for you to wear short sleeve t-shirts
> and
> > no gloves in the daylight cab. That makes
> > absolutely no sense!!!
> > HotWater Wrote:
> >
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> > > nycstl Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> > > Are you
> > > > guys required to wear long sleeves when in
> > the
> > > cab
> > > > off the daylight?
> > >
> > > No, not required unless the weather
> > necessitates
> > > it. We still do NOT wear those damned vests
> in
> > the
> > > cab!
>
> OK, I mistakenly assumed that you were experienced
> with oil burning steam locomotives.
>
> 1) There is no need to be wearing gloves, as
> NOTHING that the Engineer and Fireman touch is
> hot. For what its worth, I do put gloves on the
> sand out the flues/tubes.
>
> 2) I have never had a problem with short sleeve
> shirts, even during a "flash back" as that
> flame/heat isn't even intense enough to burn my
> skin. I'm pretty sure that one of those Polyester
> vests, shirts/jackets/coats would NOT fair as
> well.
>
> 3) Sure don't know why you are so caught up on
> long sleeve shirts on an oil burner, as there are
> no cinders to burn anything.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/14 13:38 by nycstl.

nycstl Wrote:
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> Yea but your arm could get burnt. I got a flash
> back from a coal burning steam locomotive and had
> short sleeves on and had third degree burns on my
> arm right below my slave line. That why. The same
> thing could happen with a oil burner. What my
> point is if the vest can burn with a flash back so
> cab your skin and I will pm the pictures later to
> you. And I do have resistance with oil cited
> boilers just not steal locomotives

OK, you wear you you like and we all wear what we like, and has worked very well for us since 1975.

I am not trying to argue with you, i am just trying to get you to understand that skin and hair is more likely to burn than polyester. Polyester melts at 258 degrees,third degree burns on skin happens at 150 degrees and I have no idea what hair burns at, except it will burn before skin. Also there are steam valves, water glasses and steam pipes that can burn you in the cab of any steam locomotive Each railroad and railroad museums have their own polices and will continue without little change until something happens. That's my favorite line to hear, it has worked this long. Well last year when I got my third degree burns on my arm, neck and face, my honest comment to the safety director of that group when he investigated what happen" was I did it the same way the group has done it for the last 32 years. Well guess what that time it didn't work the same way as the last 32 years. People fear change until something goes wrong, than things sometimes get completely out of hand with changes and policies. We all need to work together to help preserve and safely operate the history of this country that brings us all together on this board.
HotWater Wrote:
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> nycstl Wrote:
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> > Yea but your arm could get burnt. I got a flash
> > back from a coal burning steam locomotive and
> had
> > short sleeves on and had third degree burns on
> my
> > arm right below my slave line. That why. The
> same
> > thing could happen with a oil burner. What my
> > point is if the vest can burn with a flash back
> so
> > cab your skin and I will pm the pictures later
> to
> > you. And I do have resistance with oil cited
> > boilers just not steal locomotives
>
> OK, you wear you you like and we all wear what we
> like, and has worked very well for us since 1975.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/14 17:39 by nycstl.