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Date: 01/15/22 13:27
ATSF Air Cargo
Author: masterphots

Douglas C54     no other info.   Possibly at the Douglas factory in Santa Monica (today's Clover Field)?



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/22 14:28 by masterphots.




Date: 01/15/22 14:29
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: PHall

There was an article a few years ago about the Santa Fe Skyway in the SFR&HS Warbonnet.



Date: 01/15/22 14:58
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: Milwaukee

Note they weren't taking any chances that imbalanced freight would cause the tail to drop and hit the tarmac.   



Date: 01/15/22 15:03
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: MojaveBill

Some a/c still use those...

Bill Deaver
Tehachapi, CA



Date: 01/15/22 15:12
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: Ritzville

Very cool shot!!

Larry



Date: 01/15/22 16:28
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: timz

What's that cutoff nose section at the right
edge of the pic?



Date: 01/15/22 16:36
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: PacificElectric1961




Date: 01/15/22 16:41
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: PHall

Milwaukee Wrote:
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> Note they weren't taking any chances that
> imbalanced freight would cause the tail to drop
> and hit the tarmac.   

Cargo door is aft of the wing so when you're loading that first pallet or two or unloading them you can come dangerously close to the aircraft "tipping point".
Once you get a pallet or two loaded up front it's not much of a probem.

And Boeing 747 freighters still use tail stands during loading and unloading operations for the very same reason today.



Date: 01/15/22 17:20
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: masterphots

timz Wrote:
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> What's that cutoff nose section at the right
> edge of the pic?

Replacement component?   That's why I think the location could be the old Douglas plant in Santa Monica, CA.   At the far left edge of the photo,  which the scan cut off,  is a United Airlines DC on the ramp.

Fun fact:  Around 1959 or so I was wandering around the UP E. Los Angeles shops on a Sunday and on the shop floor was a complete E unit cab shell,  painted UP yellow.  It had a blank EMD oval builders plate in the center of the dashboard or whatever they call it.  I assumed it was there for a repair job that might require it.  It had all windows, etc.   Why I didn't take a photo is another question.



Date: 01/15/22 17:22
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: dan

wasn't a simulator?



Date: 01/15/22 17:29
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: masterphots

dan Wrote:
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> wasn't a simulator?

I doubt it,  it was  in an area with GP hood doors and other what looked like spare parts.  Did they have simulators back then?   That said I guess they could have built a simulator using it,  but would that have roll down windows, etc.?   Who knows.  Maybe someone from the UPHS will chime in.



Date: 01/15/22 21:01
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: dan

just thought with a frame to support it so it could pivot?



Date: 01/15/22 21:49
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: PHall

Airplane fuselages are built in sections and then joined on the assembly line during final assembly.
So a "complete" nose section is not that unusual at the factory. And Santa Monica is where Douglas assembled many aircraft.



Date: 01/16/22 06:43
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: atsf121

Had never heard about the Santa Fe Skyway before, awesome photo. We love watching the planes approach the Santa Monica airport from the backyard of my wife’s grandmother. There’s a park over there as well that we enjoy, with a DC3 on display where I think the Douglas factory used to be.

As for the stand, they are still used all though I haven’t seen one surprisingly, and look what happened to the USC football team a few months ago when it wasn’t used - https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/32230018/usc-trojans-team-plane-tips-backward-tarmac-coaches-staff-board?platform=amp

Nathan

Posted from iPhone



Date: 01/22/22 09:53
Re: ATSF Air Cargo
Author: Cumbres

Curious that this topic popped up last week. Today I found a YouTube video on the ATSF Skyway plane service. Very interesting video with some neat old plane and train scenes.
 



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