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Date: 01/15/12 13:26
Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: florida581

•manifest, autos
100, 10-alpha series

111 Kansas City, MO - Danville, KY
112 Birmingham, AL - Kansas City, KS (BNSF)
117 Bellevue, OH - Sheffield, AL
118 Macon, GA - Linwood, NC
119 Linwood, NC - Macon, GA
120 Kansas City, MO - Detroit, MI
121 Detroit, MI Sterling - Decatur, IL autos
122 Kansas City, MO - Detroit, MI
123 East Decatur, IL - Linwood, NC
124 Cincinnati, OH - Decatur, IL
130 New Orleans, LA (UP) - Bellevue, OH
134 Chattanooga, TN - Linwood, NC
135 Linwood, NC - Knoxville, TN
137 Macon, GA - Columbus, GA turn
141 Birmingham, AL - New Orleans, LA
142 Chattanooga, TN - Elkhart, IN
143 Elkhart, IN - Birmingham, AL
145 Bellevue, OH - Kansas City, MO
146 East Decatur, IL - Bellevue, OH
147 Cincinnati, OH - Birmingham, AL
148 Chattanooga, TN - Cincinnati, OH
149 Buffalo, NY - Bellevue, OH
151 Macon, GA - Valdosta, GA
152 Valdosta, GA - Macon, GA
153 Linwood, NC - Birmingham, AL
154 Birmingham, AL - Linwood, NC
155 Augusta, GA - Savannah, GA
156 Savannah, GA - Augusta, GA
158 Linwood, NC - Crewe, VA
159 Crewe, VA - Linwood, NC
162 Sheffield, AL - Bulls Gap, TN
163 Bulls Gap, TN - Sheffield, AL
165 Linwood, NC - Chattanooga, TN
167 Granite City, IL - Danville, KY
168 Louisville, KY - Granite City, IL
169 Conway, PA - Sharonville, OH
170 Sharonville, OH - Conway, PA
171 Detroit, MI Sterling - Villa Grove, IL (UP ADESPJ)
172 New Orleans, LA - Linwood, NC
173 Linwood, NC - Sheffield, AL
174 Macon, GA - Elkhart, IN
175 Bellevue, OH - Macon, GA
176 Detroit, MI - Detroit, MI Sterling
177 Elkhart, IN - Macon, GA
178 Birmingham, AL - Bellevue, OH
179 Bellevue, OH - Birmingham, AL
180 Macon, GA - Bellevue, OH
181 Detroit, MI - St. Louis, MO
182 McIntosh, AL - Birmingham, AL
183 Birmingham, AL - McIntosh, AL
184 Toledo, OH (CN) - Bellevue, OH
186 Birmingham, AL - Macon, GA
187 Macon, GA - Birmingham, AL
188 Bellevue, OH - Crewe, VA
189 Crewe, VA - Portsmouth, OH
191 Linwood, NC - Macon, GA
192 Macon, GA - Linwood, NC
194 Bellevue, OH - Linwood, NC
195 Linwood, NC - Bellevue, OH
198 New Orleans, LA - Birmingham, AL

10A East Binghamton, NY - Northumberland, PA
10E Villa Grove, IL (UP QNLBV) - Conway, PA
10G Conway, PA - Enola, PA
10N Conway, PA - Allentown, PA
10R Streator, IL (BNSF H GALNSI) - Bellevue, OH
*can originate in Kankakee, IL
11A Northumberland, PA - East Binghamton, NY
11J Doremus, NJ - varies autos
*common destinations are Fairlane, OH, Detroit, MI, and Toledo, OH
11K Allentown, PA - Elkhart, IN
11R Mechanicville, NY (PAS) - East Binghamton, NY
11V Enola, PA - Bellevue, OH
11Z East Binghamton, NY - Enola, PA
12G Conway, PA - Enola, PA
12N Chicago, IL Rockwell St. (CP) - Elkhart, IN
12Q Elkhart, IN - Bellevue, OH
12R Linwood, NC - Enola, PA
12V Bellevue, OH - Conway, PA
13G Newark, DE - Enola, PA
13J Ft. Wayne, IN - Hammond, IN (IHB Gibson) autos
13Q Bellevue, OH - Elkhart, IN
13R Enola, PA - Linwood, NC
14A Chicago, IL Ashland (UP YPRPI) - Conway, PA
14E Lafayette, IN South - Bellevue, OH
14G Conway, PA - Morrisville, PA
14K Bellevue, OH - Conway, PA
14M Conway, PA - Buffalo, NY
14N Elkhart, IN - Conway, PA
14Q Elkhart, IN - Bellevue, OH
14R Enola, PA - Mechanicville, NY (PAS)
14T Detroit, MI - Fostoria, OH autos
15E Bellevue, OH - Dupo, IL (UP MDUPB)
15K Conway, PA - Bellevue, OH
15M Buffalo, NY - Conway, PA
15T Allentown, PA - Birmingham, AL
15V Conway, PA - Bellevue, OH
16A Memphis, TN (BNSF) - Sheffield, AL
16E Bedford Park, IL (BRC Clearing) - Bellevue, OH
16G Bedford Park, IL (BRC Clearing) - Conway, PA
16N Conway, PA - Allentown, PA
16T Birmingham, AL - Allentown, PA
16Z Memphis, TN (UP QNLSF) - Sheffield, AL
17A Sheffield, AL - Memphis, TN (BNSF)
17G Fairless, PA - Conway, PA
17K Bellevue, OH - Frankfort, IN
17M Linwood, NC - Elkhart, IN
17N Conway, PA - Elkhart, IN
17V Elkhart, IN - Bensenville, IL (CP)
17Z Sheffield, AL - Memphis, TN (MSFNL)
18A Chicago, IL Ashland (UP YPRBL) - Bellevue, OH
18G Allentown, PA - Oak Island, NJ
18K East Decatur, IL - Elkhart, IN
18M Elkhart, IN - Linwood, NC
18N Fostoria, OH - Doremus, NJ autos
19G Oak Island, NJ - Conway, PA
19K Elkhart, IN - Decatur, IL

•intermodal, autos, roadrailer
200, 20-alpha series

200 Danville, KY - Hammond, IN Colehour
201 Rutherford, PA - Rossville, TN
202 Rossville, TN - Rutherford, PA
203 Rutherford, PA - Atlanta, GA
204 Atlanta, GA - Rutherford, PA
205 Buffalo, NY - Chicago, IL 47th
206 Chicago, IL 47th - Buffalo, NY
207 Garden City, GA - Atlanta, GA
208 Austell, GA - Garden City, GA
209 Atlanta, GA - Jacksonville, FL (FEC)
210 Jacksonville, FL (FEC) - Atlanta, GA
211 Croxton, NJ - Atlanta, GA
212 Atlanta, GA - Croxton, NJ
213 Rutherford, PA - Atlanta, GA
214 Atlanta, GA - Rutherford, PA
215 Chicago, IL Calumet - Atlanta, GA
216 Atlanta, GA - Chicago, IL Calumet
217 Linwood, NC - Chicago, IL Calumet
218 Chicago, IL Calumet - Linwood, NC
219 Atlanta, GA - Meridian, MS (KCS IATDA)
220 Meridian, MS (KCS IDAAT)- Atlanta, GA
221 Charlotte, NC - Atlanta, GA
222 Atlanta, GA - Charlotte, NC
223 Kansas City, MO - Atlanta, GA
224 Atlanta, GA - Kansas City, MO
225 Atlanta, GA - Shreveport, LA (UP ZAILC
/ KCS IZATLA)
226 Shreveport, LA (UP ZLCAI / KCS IZLAAT) - Atlanta, GA
227 Norfolk, VA - Harrisburg, PA
228 Harrisburg, PA - Norfolk, VA
229 Columbus, OH - Jacksonville, FL (FEC)
230 Jacksonville, FL - Atlanta, GA
231 Garden City, GA - Austell, GA
232 Atlanta, GA - Garden City, GA
233 Norfolk, VA - Chicago, IL Landers
234 Chicago, IL Landers - Norfolk, VA
236 Columbus, OH - Norfolk, VA
237 Charleston, SC - Atlanta, GA
238 Atlanta, GA - Charleston, SC
239 Georgetown, KY - Kansas City, MO (UP) autos
240 Cincinnati, OH - Chicago, IL Calumet
241 Chicago, IL Calumet - Cincinnati, OH
255 Detroit, MI - Kansas City, MO Voltz roadrailer
256 Kansas City, MO - Detroit, MI roadrailer
264 Memphis, TN (BNSF Q LACAUG) - Atlanta, GA
265 Atlanta, GA - Memphis, TN (BNSF Q AUGLAC)
272 Kansas City, MO - Walkertown, NC autos
275 Shelbyville, KY - Atlanta, GA autos
276 Jacksonville, FL - Princeton, IN autos
280 Hegewisch, IL - Bellevue, OH autos
282 Jacksonville, FL - Chicago, IL Landers
285 Kansas City, MO - Jacksonville, FL (FEC) autos
*carries intermodal block
287 Mechanicville, NY (PAS) - Bellevue, OH autos
288 Atlanta, GA - Detroit, MI autos
289 Detroit, MI - Shelbyville, KY autos
290 McCalla, AL - Croxton, NJ
291 Atlanta, GA - Jacksonville, FL
294 Chicago, IL 47th - Port Reading Jct, NJ
295 Chicago, IL Landers - Jacksonville, FL
296 Jacksonville, FL - Atlanta, GA
297 Decatur, IL - Kansas City, MO (UP) autos
298 New Orleans, LA - Atlanta, GA autos
*carries intermodal block

20A St. Louis, MO - Harrisburg, PA
20E Chicago, IL 63rd - Croxton, NJ
20K Chicago, IL 63rd - Croxton, NJ
20N Chicago, IL Ashland - Detroit, MI Livernois
20Q Chicago, IL 47th - Morrisville, PA
20R Chicago, IL Landers - Erail, NJ
20T Kansas City, MO - Harrisburg, PA
20W Chicago, IL Ashland (BNSF Z LACNYC) - Croxton, NJ
21A Harrisburg, PA - St. Louis, MO
21D Charleston, SC - Greer, SC
21E Morrisville, PA - Chicago, IL 47th
21G Rutherford, PA - Corwith, IL (BNSF Q NYCLAC)
21J Rutherford, PA - Chicago, IL 63rd
*originates at Morrisville, PA on Mo
21M Croxton, NJ - Chicago, IL 63rd
21N Detroit, MI Livernois - Hammond, IN Colehour
21Q Harrisburg, PA - Chicago, IL 47th
21T Harrisburg, PA - Kansas City, MO
21V Harrisburg, PA - Cicero, IL (BNSF)
21Z Rutherford, PA - Chicago, IL 63rd
22A Norfolk, VA - Louisville, KY
22G Shreveport, LA (UP KLBNS / KCS IZLBNS) - Atlanta, GA
22J Memphis, TN - varies autos as needed
22K Chicago, IL 47th - Mechanicville, NY (PAS)
22N Memphis, TN - Atlanta, GA
22Q Atlanta, GA - New Orleans, LA autos
*carries intermodal block
22R Fairlane, OH - Toledo, OH (AA) autos as needed
22V Harrisburg, PA - Elizabeth, NJ
22W Chicago, IL 63rd - Rutherford, PA
22Z Shreveport, LA (UP ILXNS / KCS IZLAATX) - Atlanta, GA
23D Atlanta, GA - Shreveport, LA (UP KAILC / KCS IZATLAX)
23E Atlanta, GA - Meridian, MS (KCS IATDA2)
23G Louisville, KY - Norfolk, VA
23J assignment varies autos as needed
23K Mechanicville, NY (PAS) - Chicago, IL 47th
23M Elizabeth, NJ - Global 1, IL (UP)
*originates at Harrisburg, PA on Su
23N Atlanta, GA - Memphis, TN (UP IMEMN)
23Q assignment varies baretables as needed
23R Rutherford, PA - Chicago, IL 63rd
23W Baltimore, MD - Harrisburg, PA
23Z Croxton, NJ - Chicago, IL 63rd
24D Toledo, OH - Columbus, OH
24E Meridian, MS (KCS IDAAT2) - Atlanta, GA
24J assignment varies baretables as needed
24K Rutherford, PA - Morrisville, PA
24M Chicago, IL 63rd - Baltimore, MD
24N Chicago, IL 63rd - Toledo, OH
24Q Charleston, SC - Elizabeth, NJ baretables Su
24R assignment varies baretables as needed
24V assignment varies baretables as needed
24W Chicago, IL Ashland - Harrisburg, PA
24Z Chicago, IL Ashland - Croxton, NJ
25A Chicago, IL Calumet - Danville, KY
25D assignment varies baretables as needed
25E Fairlane, OH - Wayne, MI autos
25J assignment varies autos as needed
25M assignment varies baretables as needed
25N Columbus, OH - Corwith, IL (BNSF)
25Q Atlanta, GA - Memphis, TN
25R Croxton, NJ - Rutherford, PA
25T Morrisville, PA - Chicago, IL 47th
*terminates at Harrisburg, PA on Mo
25V Erail, NJ - Chicago, IL Landers
*terminates at Harrisburg, PA on Sa
25W Croxton, NJ - Chicago, IL 63rd
25Z Erail, NJ - Chicago, IL 47th
26A Vance, AL - Anguilla Jct, GA (GITM) autos
26D assignment varies autos as needed
26E Chicago, IL 63rd - Rutherford, PA
26K varies - Wayne, MI autos as needed
26N Chicago, IL Ashland - Columbus, OH
26Q Memphis, TN - Garden City, GA
26T Chicago, IL 47th - Harrisburg, PA
26W Chicago, IL 63rd - Pittcairn, PA
26Z Cincinnati, OH - Columbus, OH Watkins
27A Anguilla Jct, GA (GITM) - Vance, AL autos
27G Memphis, TN - varies autos as needed
27J assignment varies autos as needed
27K varies - Georgetown, KY autos as needed
27M Kansas City, MO - Wentzville, MO autos
27N Enola, PA - varies autos
*common destinations are Detroit, MI North, Detroit, MI Sterling, and Fairlane, OH
27V Walkertown, NC - varies autos
*common destinations are Shelbyville, KY, Detroit, MI Sterling, and Fairlane, OH
27W assignment varies autos as needed
27Z Hammond, IN (IHB Gibson) - varies autos as needed
28G Kansas City, MO - Georgetown, KY autos as needed
28K varies - Georgetown, KY autos as needed
28M Kansas City, MO - varies autos as needed
28N Fostoria, OH - Mechanicville, NY (PAS) autos
28Q assignment varies autos as needed
28T Spartanburg, SC - Charleston, SC autos
*carries intermodal block
29G Norfolk, VA - Detroit, MI Sterling
29J Fairlane, OH - Detroit, MI North autos as needed
29M Kansas City, MO - Roanoke, IN autos
29N varies - Tyner, TN autos as needed
29V varies - Detroit, MI autos as needed

•manifest / autos
300, 30-alpha series

300 Chattanooga, TN - Loudon, TN
301 Decatur, IL - Granite City, IL
302 Granite City, IL - East Decatur, IL
303 Loudon, TN - Chattanooga, TN
304 Bellevue, OH - Middletown, OH
305 Middletown, OH - Bellevue, OH
307 Bellevue, OH - Ft. Wayne, IN
309 East Binghamton, NY - Elkhart, IN
310 Bellevue, OH - East Binghamton, NY
314 New Orleans, LA (UP) - Birmingham, AL
315 Moberly, MO - Kansas City, MO
316 Bellevue, OH - Buffalo, NY
319 East St. Louis, IL (ALS) - Louisville, KY
320 Sheffield, AL - Birmingham, AL
321 Macon, GA - Jacksonville, FL (FEC)
322 Macon, GA - Chattanooga, TN
326 Ft. Wayne, IN - Bellevue, OH
330 Jacksonville, FL (FEC) - Macon, GA
331 Detroit, MI - Bellevue, OH
332 Bellevue, OH - Detroit, MI
337 Linwood, NC - Charleston, SC
338 Charleston, SC - Linwood, NC
339 Birmingham, AL - Meridian, MS (KCS MNSJA)
340 Meridian, MS (KCS MSHNS) - Birmingham, AL
341 Birmingham, AL - Selma, AL
342 Selma, AL - Birmingham, AL
343 Bellevue, OH - Toledo, OH
344 Toledo, OH - Bellevue, OH
345 Birmingham, AL - New Orleans, LA (UP MAVLI)
349 Selma, NC - Linwood, NC
350 Linwood, NC - Selma, NC
351 Raleigh, NC - Linwood, NC
352 Linwood, NC - Raleigh, NC
353 Bellevue, OH - Toledo, OH (CN)
355 Birmingham, AL - New Orleans, LA
356 Albany, GA - Macon, GA
357 Macon, GA - Albany, GA
361 Chattanooga, TN - Macon, GA
362 Sheffield, AL - Chattanooga, TN
365 Ft. Wayne, IN - Elkhart, IN
366 Elkhart, IN - Ft. Wayne, IN
368 Muncie, IN - Elkhart, IN
369 Elkhart, IN - Muncie, IN
370 Rome, GA - Chattanooga, TN
371 Chattanooga, TN - Rome, GA
372 Macon, GA - Savannah, GA
373 Savannah, GA - Macon, GA
375 Bellevue, OH - East St. Louis, IL (ALS)
376 Louisville, KY - Bellevue, OH
377 Savannah, GA - Macon, GA
378 Macon, GA - Savannah, GA
384 Mobile, AL - Birmingham, AL
385 Birmingham, AL - Mobile, AL
386 Andover, VA - Bulls Gap, TN
387 Bulls Gap, TN - Andover, VA
391 Sheffield, AL - Memphis, TN (UP MSFPB)
393 Birmingham, AL - New Orleans, LA (UP MNSEW)
394 Jesup, GA - Macon, GA
395 Macon, GA - Jesup, GA
398 Kansas City, MO - East Decatur, IL

30N Madison, IL (TRRA) - Decatur, IL
30Q Chicago, IL Calumet - Elkhart, IN
30T Rouses Point, NY (CP) - East Binghamton, NY
31G Elkhart, IN - Burns Harbor, IN
31K Elkhart, IN - Streator, IL (BNSF H NSIGAL)
*can terminate at Kankakee, IL
31M Detroit, MI Sterling - Hammond, IN (IHB Gibson) autos
31N Decatur, IL - Madison, IL (TRRA)
31Q Elkhart, IN - Chicago, IL Calumet
31T East Binghamton, NY - Rouses Point, NY (CP)
32A Allentown, PA - Croxton, NJ
32G Enola, PA - Newark, DE
32Q East St. Louis, IL (ALS) - East Decatur, IL
33A Baltimore, MD - Allentown, PA
33G Elkhart, IN - Cicero, IL (BNSF H NSINTW)
33J Decatur, IL - Kansas City, MO (UP)
33K Croxton, NJ - Allentown, PA
34A Allentown, PA - Enola, PA
34E Burns Harbor, IN - Elkhart, IN
34G Bedford Park, IL (BRC Clearing) - Elkhart, IN
34J Blue Island, IL (IHB) - Bellevue, OH
34N East Decatur, IL - Conway, PA
34Z Decatur, IL - Lafayette, IN South
35A Enola, PA - Conway, PA
35E Elkhart, IN - Chicago, IL (UP Proviso)
35J Elkhart, IN - Blue Island, IL (IHB)
35N Conway, PA - Decatur, IL
35Q Allentown, PA - Linwood, NC
35Z Lafayette, IN South - Decatur, IL
36A Enola, PA - Wilmington, DE
36Q Linwood, NC - Allentown, PA
36T Buffalo, NY - Allentown, PA
37A Wilmington, DE - Enola, PA
37E Elkhart, IN - Chicago, IL (UP MELNP)
37M Elkhart, IN - Bedford Park, IL (BRC Clearing)
37T Allentown, PA - Buffalo, NY
38A Enola, PA - Baltimore, MD
38E Bellevue, OH - Wayne, MI
38G Allentown, PA - Pavonia, NJ
38Q Conway, PA - Hagerstown, MD
39A Middletown, OH - Sharonville, OH turn steel
39E Wayne, MI - Elkhart, IN
39G Pavonia, NJ - Allentown, PA
39Q Hagerstown, MD - Conway, PA



Edited 374 time(s). Last edit at 10/21/17 07:00 by florida581.



Date: 01/15/12 14:04
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: Out_Of_Service

im surprised to see 2 seperate trains from CROXTON and OAK ISLAND to ALLENTOWN



Date: 01/15/12 14:21
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: florida581

Out_Of_Service Wrote:
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> im surprised to see 2 seperate trains from CROXTON
> and OAK ISLAND to ALLENTOWN


Of course I have to take the word of the fans in the area. They told me that 32A and 33K were long time Allentown-Croxton trains and 18G and 19G were Conway-Oak Island trains. It wasn't until recently 18G started originating at Allentown.

Andrew



Date: 01/15/12 14:58
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: toledopatch

I just saw 25V this afternoon in Toledo, so there must now be at least some occasion for it go west of Harrisburg. It was a very short train today.

While NS #178 may handle CN interchange from Detroit, I do not believe it is strictly a CN run-through the way #184 is at Toledo.

NS #369 is a turn to Fort Erie, Ontario (ON), not New York.

Is #316 really a Bellevue-Buffalo turn? That's a 250-mile trip one way.

I'm pretty sure CP still runs a #243 over the NS between Detroit and Chicago that runs under a #33T symbol.

Finally, it was my understanding that #31M terminates at IHB's Gibson Yard in Indiana, rather than going all the way to Blue Island Yard in Chicago.

Corrections on any or all of the above welcomed.



Date: 01/15/12 16:25
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: Carl

Along the same thread can anybody please say where the letter symbols come from. I Know they are division related Is the letter an origin point or a detestation point?

I was just curious and thank you.

Carl



Date: 01/15/12 16:44
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: toledopatch

Carl Wrote:
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> Along the same thread can anybody please say where
> the letter symbols come from. I Know they are
> division related Is the letter an origin point or
> a destination point?
>
> I was just curious and thank you.
>
> Carl


The letters in the third position (e.g., 10R, 31M) have no geographic reference that I can identify. NS started using that system during integration of its portion of Conrail because without the letters, it expected to run out of three-digit road symbols.

A letter in the first position can indicate either an extra section or a divisional wayfreight, depending on which letter it is. There have been numerous threads to explain how this works. A train with two letters and two numbers is either a yard job/terminal transfer or a foreign-line train, again depending on the particular letters.



Date: 01/15/12 17:12
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: jgilmore

For auto trains, the 18N/11J pair take care of new vehicles from the midwest to Doremus Ave. I believe 18N starts in Bellevue and 11J--mostly empties--ends up in Toledo? Elkhart? (I know it's changed over the years).

JG



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/12 17:14 by jgilmore.



Date: 01/15/12 17:14
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: esprrfan

Scratch 19A, no longer runs. 316 is not a turn. 25V is daily to Chicago except Sunday, keep in mind you might see a 25V close to Chicago on Sunday but thats Saturdays train
169 is Conway-Sharonville, Oh., 180 Sharonville-Columbus



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/12 17:24 by esprrfan.



Date: 01/15/12 18:27
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: halfmoonharold

Anything starting with a 4, 5, or even a 6, is not even worth trying to figure out. These are bulk commodity trains, and the symbols are used provisionally, even more now than ever before. The sales groups have more input into the symbols used now, apparently for billing purposes. Often the customer will make a last-minute request to divert one of their shipments to a different facility than it was originally scheduled to go to. It is a little tougher for us in operations to keep track of, but we can check the scheduled route in the computer very easily. Also, the 900 series, being company-use symbols, are used as-needed. I think they are grouped by train type though; ie, rail, ballast, etc.



Date: 01/15/12 18:42
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: florida581

halfmoonharold Wrote:
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> Anything starting with a 4, 5, or even a 6, is not
> even worth trying to figure out. These are bulk
> commodity trains, and the symbols are used
> provisionally, even more now than ever before. The
> sales groups have more input into the symbols used
> now, apparently for billing purposes. Often the
> customer will make a last-minute request to divert
> one of their shipments to a different facility
> than it was originally scheduled to go to. It is a
> little tougher for us in operations to keep track
> of, but we can check the scheduled route in the
> computer very easily. Also, the 900 series, being
> company-use symbols, are used as-needed. I think
> they are grouped by train type though; ie, rail,
> ballast, etc.

I completely agree. The bulk commodity trains are a whole different can of worms. If someone wants to figure out those symbols, all power to them. However, some can be more predictable, especially coal trains. For instance, 732-741 are Memphis, TN(BNSF) - Plant Scherer, GA coal trains. Local freights are also fairly easy to obtain the train info.

Andrew



Date: 01/15/12 19:19
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: toledopatch

18N originates at the Fostoria Mixing Center, I believe. The power could run light down from Bellevue to get there. I'm pretty sure 11J goes up to Detroit. 14T, by the way, makes a stitch from Bellevue down to Fostoria Mixing and back on its way from Detroit to Buffalo.



Date: 01/15/12 20:55
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: halfmoonharold

There will be more Heartland Corridor-related changes coming up soon.



Date: 01/16/12 07:09
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: amanwtf

203 and 204 need the city pairs reversed. 203 runs Rutherford to Atlanta and 204 runs Atlanta to Rutherford.



Date: 01/16/12 07:15
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: toledopatch

Here's another fix: last I knew, 38E/39E go to/from Wayne, MI.



Date: 01/16/12 07:16
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: sou2601

There is a "wiki" out there for the railroads. You've got a great list, and through the collaboration here, perhaps the wiki could be updated:

http://railroadfan.com/wiki/index.php/NS_Train_Symbols

EDIT: I'mm not trying to promote a competitor to Trainorders. I am mentioning another website I have stumbled across that provides a service (train symbols listing) that this site does not specifically provide. So, no disrespect towards Todd & Co. :)

-Eric



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/12 07:19 by sou2601.



Date: 01/16/12 20:22
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: DTI4ever

Great list, one note, 308 is a Bellevue train that dies in Portsmouth, it gets split up and makes up the 188, pickup for the 194, and sometimes the 18m. I didn't see train 29g, it doesn't run all the time, but its an empty auto rack train that comes thru P-town and I think it dies in Fostoria.



Date: 01/16/12 20:40
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: jgilmore

One question: Years ago 10A/11A carried plenty of manifest daily from Conway to Reading, but the list above shows it cut back to Altoona. My question is how does the traffic for Spring St. get there nowadays? Setoff from one or more manifests that head for downtown Reading? I guess another question would be, If 10A/11A now only go as far as Altoona (if that info is correct), what happens to the traffic on these trains since it obviously is not just for Altoona? Seems like extra work to split up trains there when hump yards exist east and west of there.

Joel Gilmore



Date: 01/16/12 21:04
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: sou2601

Just heard from a source that starting tomorrow, 229 will originate in Columbus, OH. There will be the addition of a #200 operating between Danville and Columbus.

-Eric



Date: 01/17/12 07:07
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: KimHeusel

I don't think 123 is running any more, although I've heard rumors that it may start up again.

Kim Heusel



Date: 01/17/12 09:23
Re: Updated Norfolk Southern train symbols
Author: JUTower

jgilmore Wrote:
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> One question: Years ago 10A/11A carried plenty of
> manifest daily from Conway to Reading, but the
> list above shows it cut back to Altoona. My
> question is how does the traffic for Spring St.
> get there nowadays? Setoff from one or more
> manifests that head for downtown Reading? I guess
> another question would be, If 10A/11A now only go
> as far as Altoona (if that info is correct), what
> happens to the traffic on these trains since it
> obviously is not just for Altoona? Seems like
> extra work to split up trains there when hump
> yards exist east and west of there.
>
> Joel Gilmore

I believe that traffic moves on one of the other manifests to Enola.
-Alex



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