Eastern Railroad Discussion > NS Derailment

According to horseshoe curve cam chat, 21G, with 12000T and 15000 Ft derailed at PT245, all 3 tracks foulded.

lne655 Wrote:
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> According to horseshoe curve cam chat, 21G, with
> 12000T and 15000 Ft derailed at PT245, all 3
> tracks foulded.

15,000 feet, and they put it on the ground? Gee, what a shocker.

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NS is being operated by the clerks on Wall Street.

They could care less, they'll just put the blame on the crew, and move on.
Running these trains like this is a no lose situation for management.  They 
get from point A to B, all the better, they crash and burn, the crew did something
wrong.  NS and these other Class Ones are a total joke.

John R
 

There will be a lot to lose, when they dump one of these monster freights on the ground, and end up with a catastrophic hazmat release. At the rate they are experiencing mainline derailments under PSR, It's only a matter of time before they have another Graniteville or Lac Megantic.

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bioyans Wrote:
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> There will be a lot to lose, when they dump one of
> these monster freights on the ground, and end up
> with a catastrophic hazmat release. At the rate
> they are experiencing mainline derailments under
> PSR, It's only a matter of time before they have
> another Graniteville or Lac Megantic.
>
> Posted from

So what you’re saying is PSR couldn’t even properly line a switch in Graniteville and PSR didn’t tie down enough handbrakes in Lac Megantic?

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Doug Wetherhold
Macungie, PA

ALCO630 Wrote:
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> bioyans Wrote:
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> > There will be a lot to lose, when they dump one
> of
> > these monster freights on the ground, and end
> up
> > with a catastrophic hazmat release. At the rate
> > they are experiencing mainline derailments
> under
> > PSR, It's only a matter of time before they
> have
> > another Graniteville or Lac Megantic.
> >
> > Posted from
>
> So what you’re saying is PSR couldn’t even
> properly line a switch in Graniteville and PSR
> didn’t tie down enough handbrakes in Lac
> Megantic?
>
> Posted from iPhone

Pay attention, the railroads don't care!

Not referring to the cause, but the consequences.




ALCO630 Wrote:
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> bioyans Wrote:
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> -----
> > There will be a lot to lose, when they dump one
> of
> > these monster freights on the ground, and end
> up
> > with a catastrophic hazmat release. At the rate
> > they are experiencing mainline derailments
> under
> > PSR, It's only a matter of time before they
> have
> > another Graniteville or Lac Megantic.
> >
> > Posted from
>
> So what you’re saying is PSR couldn’t even
> properly line a switch in Graniteville and PSR
> didn’t tie down enough handbrakes in Lac
> Megantic?
>
> Posted from iPhone

zchcsse Wrote:
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> Not referring to the cause, but the consequences.

Thank you.

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bioyans Wrote:
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> There will be a lot to lose, when they dump one of
> these monster freights on the ground, and end up
> with a catastrophic hazmat release. At the rate
> they are experiencing mainline derailments under
> PSR, It's only a matter of time before they have
> another Graniteville or Lac Megantic.
>
> Posted from Android

I AM EXTREMLY LUCKY THAT THIS OCCURED TODAY RATHER THAN ON JULY 4TH! The derailment would have postponed at least 2 years of valuble railroading for me when i last visited the area on a terrific trip in 2019, i already missed a year due to covid and don't want to miss any more

nick

Does 21G originate in Morrisville? Is it solid intermodal, or does it also carry merchandise traffic?

Thank you in advance.

It's good there were no injuries.

Location appears to be just west of MG tower.  The VR camera doesn't show the derailment, but you can hear the pile up at 5.40 pm

It originates in Morrisville, sets off/picks up at HBG GI8...no merchandise traffic

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Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> It's good there were no injuries.
>
> Location appears to be just west of MG tower. 
> The VR camera doesn't show the derailment, but you
> can hear the pile up at 5.40 pm

3:40 pm, and you don't hear anything.

milepost 245 is in the Bennington Curve area  As of 9:55 pm the recrew is on 21G and are taking the first 2 cars I believe to Cresson.  A helper set is heading up the hill to grab the rear part of the train to bring back to Altoona.  Sounds like a very slow process going on.  Trainmaster was stating that derailment happenned 6 car lengths from the head end.  C5 helper leaving Rose yard just got the info on what there getting.  They are getting around 6400 ton, 8200 feet of train behind the derailment and heading east to rose.  If the head end was told to take 2 cars to Cresson in reality how much of this train really derailed  seems like alot.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/21 19:07 by dozerman.

cockaboose Wrote:
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> Lackawanna484 Wrote:
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> > It's good there were no injuries.
> >
> > Location appears to be just west of MG tower. 
> > The VR camera doesn't show the derailment, but
> you
> > can hear the pile up at 5.40 pm
>
> 3:40 pm, and you don't hear anything.

You're right on the time, I read the 15.40 as 5.40.  But you can hear something that sounds like a very strong wind, and the helpers come to a stop

Dragged 8200' back and say 800' ahead,  that;s 6000ft  on the mountain.  Crazy.

Tominde Wrote:
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> Dragged 8200' back and say 800' ahead,  that;s
> 6000ft  on the mountain.  Crazy.

The original helper set brought about 25 loads/71 platforms back to Altoona. Add to that the 45 loads/6216 tons/ 8447 feet that the second set brought down, and the two good cars/ 6 platforms on the head end;  the rest is stranded on the Mountain. The Curve camera operator was frisky as usual when the train originally passed which made it difficult to determine just how many trailers are missing, but I think 30 might be a decent guess. 

Looks like Amtrak annulled both Pennsylvanians today, June 8. 

One track is open on virtual railfan as of 11:00 and both east and westbound trains moving since about dawn.

If the derailment was about six cars back from the power....   I'm assuming there were either manned helpers or DPU or all of the above on a train that long.   Details?

The pile-up last year on the Southern Tier (near the Letchworth bridge) was reportedly due to DPU communication between systems, although you'll see scant proof of it.