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Passenger Trains > Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton today.Date: 10/20/14 08:45 Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton today. Author: loiter2 They stowed the baggage on the last coach car.
Date: 10/20/14 09:24 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: The_Chief_Way The number of B/O baggage cars is probably on the upswing. Why spend money on repairing them when
there are brand new cars supposedly on the way? So, trains are dispatched without bags and the coach-baggage cars are used for checked baggage. Date: 10/20/14 09:36 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: robj The_Chief_Way Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > The number of B/O baggage cars is probably on the > upswing. Why spend money on repairing them when > there are brand new cars supposedly on the way? > So, trains are dispatched without bags and the > coach-baggage > cars are used for checked baggage. So this begs the obvious question????? There is a big overhead maintaining, handling and pulling a baggage car along for what purpose if they can just be skipped? Are there Amtrak people who could address the question as to how much is actually carried in these cars?? Bob Date: 10/20/14 09:48 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: GenePoon There is also a report that a Coach-Baggage will replace a Coach and a Baggage
on some Superliner trains. Date: 10/20/14 10:37 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: PHall GenePoon Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > There is also a report that a Coach-Baggage will > replace a Coach and a Baggage > on some Superliner trains. Good idea since most of the Coach-Baggage cars are not being used. Date: 10/20/14 10:38 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: msdgbar As I see it in the very near future there will be a day where you will see only a P42 locomotive Something like a dorm baggage car 2 sleepers a diner and 2 coaches on the long distance Amtrak Superliner trains. Baggage car Transition sleeper and sightseer lounge car will all be gone for ever. That will make for a 1 locomotive and 6 car train. Making the train the same length as an Amtrak surf liner train.
Date: 10/20/14 11:53 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: ts1457 PHall Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > GenePoon Wrote: > ------------------------------------------------------- > > There is also a report that a Coach-Baggage will > > replace a Coach and a Baggage > > on some Superliner trains. > > Good idea since most of the Coach-Baggage cars are > not being used. Why were they not used as originally intended? When the express business was going were the coach-baggage cars inadequate for the task, necessitating a separate baggage car. Does a coach-baggage have enough capacity to handle a western LDT, or even a CNO? Date: 10/20/14 12:56 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: joemvcnj In most cases, a coach/baggage cannot handle a western LD train. On the Eagle and CoNO, it is a very tight squeeze, and they need a real baggage car. It is fine for 27/28. For trains like the Desert Wind and Pioneer, they were fine, but Amtrak does not want to run trains like that anymore. I don't know why they built them.
Date: 10/20/14 13:07 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: andersonb109 On western trains, no Sightseer Lounge, no travel. Simple as that. I'd rather fly than be stuck in my room all day with limited visibility.
Date: 10/20/14 13:30 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: hazegray joemvcnj Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > In most cases, a coach/baggage cannot handle a > western LD train. On the Eagle and CoNO, it is a > very tight squeeze, and they need a real baggage > car. It is fine for 27/28. I rode Train 8/Empire Builder in March a few years ago and there were four (4) baggage carts that pulled alongside at Whitefish, MT... lots of skiers returning to Chicago,I guess. In any event, the full size baggage car was crammed to near capacity. A coach baggage would never have handled that! Date: 10/20/14 13:56 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: floridajoe2001 No need to worry. Amtrak is not building 70 brand new baggage cars for nothing.
I'm sure they have no intention of carrying baggage in the coaches. Joe Date: 10/20/14 15:16 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: ts1457 joemvcnj Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > .... I don't know why they built them. Would it be practical, feasible, and cost effective to rebuild them into straight coaches? Date: 10/20/14 17:35 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: ProAmtrak floridajoe2001 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > No need to worry. Amtrak is not building 70 brand > new baggage cars for nothing. > > I'm sure they have no intention of carrying > baggage in the coaches. > > Joe No need to worry? I saw No. 3 last night without the bag and I just can't believe you guys are jumping to conclusions already! Give me a break! Date: 10/20/14 19:22 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: dan cz didn't have one last week
Date: 10/20/14 23:36 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: mp51w The coach baggage cars still have utility for the western LD trains.
Date: 10/20/14 23:37 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: jp1822 Capitol Limited often runs with just a Superliner Coach Baggage Car - even before this recent announcement that the Cap will have a "reduced consist for the next month - Oct 20 to Nov 20.
And then there's the baffling question of the California Zephyr being spotted with two baggage cars. Amtrak shouldn't bank on any Viewliner baggage cars going into operation any time soon with the way the CAF order has been delayed to date.... Date: 10/21/14 07:42 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: PHall ts1457 Wrote:
------------------------------------------------------- > joemvcnj Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > .... I don't know why they built them. > > Would it be practical, feasible, and cost > effective to rebuild them into straight coaches? Superliners are of modular construction. So the baggage compartment "module" could be removed and replaced with a coach module if the desire and money is there. Date: 10/21/14 07:50 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 into Fullerton today Author: milkcow We are pretty sure the regular baggage car was on #3 at Winslow last nite.
Fine Private Varnish group on #4 this morning. David Date: 10/21/14 07:59 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: 3751_loony Wiki says Amtrak had 48 Coach/Baggage cars. If they are not well utilized, at least half could be turned into coaches. The Wiki article states that some were used for smoking coaches, putting seats downstairs and walling off some baggage space, so there is a precedent. It's all a function of time and money, though.
What could Amtrak do if they had 24 Superliner Coaches? Jim Montague IRVINE, CA Train and Nature photo Art Date: 10/21/14 08:13 Re: Baggage car missing on train 3 iinto Fullerton toda Author: joemvcnj Finishing off the interiors of the baggage section would be quite a job. I do not see Amtrak doing any heavy-lifting to do much of anything with Superliners.
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