Passenger Trains > Metrolink PVL Promotions

Apparently Metrolink has taken a head count on boardings at the four new stations located along the PVL and decided some encouragment is in order! 10% fare discount for round trips within Riverside county and 10% discount for trips originating at any of the new PVL station to destinations outside of Riverside County. Also they are throwing  a big celebration at the Hunter Park station on the PVL for next Saturday. All of the details are in today's issue of the Riverside Press-Enterprise. The elephant in the room for the round trip promotion is the huge gap beteen inbound and outbound trains  to the four PVL stations which are very quiet during the weekdays. For instance if you leave South Perris at 4:37 am for a trip to West Corona, your return train would not come back through until 5:03 in the late afternoon. I don't see crowds of people  being generated by this offer. IMHO the conference rooms at Metrolink and RCTC need to figure out a way to make this new line more useful to commuters

TomPlatten Wrote:
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 IMHO the conference rooms at Metrolink and
> RCTC need to figure out a way to make this new
> line more useful to commuters

I wouldn't look to conference rooms to figure out how to increase the utility of a transit service.

It needs weekend service too! Both weeked Riverside LA trains could be extended to Perris

Maybe that would help but with the wide gap between LAUS bound and South Perris bound train it is not going to attract many users who are NOT commuters. Even the IOC has a mid-day train on week days! Also, they have to add service to San Bernardino! The new line has potential!
 

There are six miday trips between South Perris and Riverside. One can take an IEOC train from West Corona to Riverside and transfer to one of the PVL trains.

Correction for you

Its not a 10% discount for trips in Riverside county. Its a $10 flat rate. But yes a 10% discount to everywhere else.

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It has only been in service 5 days.  Remember the doomsdayers about the Gold line when it started up.  Look at it now.  Give it a little time.  People do not always change habits overnight.

Actually the IOEC tains won't help get back to Perris if you have traveled to LAUS.There is, however, a 1:20 departure from LAUS via the Riverside line to Riverside downtown. It gets to Riverside Downtown at 2:48. The RTA #22 bus can take you the rest of the way to Perris!

Both of the promotions , were in effect from day one.  Nothing to do with lack of ridership the first week.  This fare plan was planned weeks ahead.

As to  connections from Corona to Riverside during the day, good luck, you will find few options.

As to the board rooms of Metrolink and RCTC getting together, well that's part of the problem with all transit planning be it local transit,Amtrak or what ever.  As long as a city is on the map, then a train, bus, light rail serves everyone, everyday, in the eyes of the politician's.

I could go on for days on transit planning.  But this line cost way to much for the results that it will provide the public.


 

Tom, the use of the express route 208 can provide some good optional connections.  Not sure many want to ride line 22, all through the county side hoswever.
Using 22 one has to walk 3 three blocks to catch the bus.  One can wait a while and catch express 208, right from Metrolink, that arrives four minutes prior the line 22.

How many even are aware of the RTA bus service  and that the Metrolink ticket is good on express line 208 and 212 and local lines.

Two problems that I see to the new Perris Valley service is speed and mid-day connections.

Trains are sceduled to take 50 minutes to Riverside and 55 minutes to South Perris. That works out to a average speed for the 24 mile route of 28.8 and 26.2 mph in the two directions. That may be good when the 215/60 is jammed or if the passenger  wants to relax from driving hassles, but it is not very fast. In 1947 the ATSF mixed train 505 on the San Jac line averaged 21.3 mph from Highgrove to Ethanac (about a mile beyond the South Perris terminal).

In most case the connections with the mid-day trains are not very good, From Orange County the early No. 700 gets to to Riverside for No.732 to. Perris, but with an 1 hour 55 minute wait; IEOC trains 800 and 802 will get you there in time for PV No. 734 but you wait 3'16" or 2'31" till the 1:00 pm departure; No. 804 arrives at 2:10 pm in Riverside but you have to  wait until 4:30 pm for No. 736. Head to Orange County No. 731 arrive in Riverside at 8:35 am and you can leave on No. 813 1'43" later; the one good connection is between No. 733 and No. 815 to Oceanside where there is only a 20 minute connection; however, No. 735 get into Riverside 35 minutes after the last IEOC train to OC leaves at 3:01 pm (Riverside Line train No. 411 leaves at 3:07 pm) and passenger to OC have to wait for 91 Line train 707 at 6:07 pm.

Except for local travel between Riverside and South Perris, the mide-day trains are not useful to Metrolink riders.





 

MyfordBrowning Wrote:
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> Two problems that I see to the new Perris Valley
> service is speed and mid-day connections.
>
> Trains are sceduled to take 50 minutes to
> Riverside and 55 minutes to South Perris. That
> works out to a average speed for the 24 mile route
> of 28.8 and 26.2 mph in the two directions. That
> may be good when the 215/60 is jammed or if the
> passenger  wants to relax from driving hassles,
> but it is not very fast. In 1947 the ATSF mixed
> train 505 on the San Jac line averaged 21.3
> mph from Highgrove to Ethanac (about a mile
> beyond the South Perris terminal).
>
> In most case the connections with the mid-day
> trains are not very good, From Orange County the
> early No. 700 gets to to Riverside for No.732 to.
> Perris, but with an 1 hour 55 minute wait; IEOC
> trains 800 and 802 will get you there in time for
> PV No. 734 but you wait 3'16" or 2'31" till the
> 1:00 pm departure; No. 804 arrives at 2:10 pm in
> Riverside but you have to  wait until 4:30 pm for
> No. 736. Head to Orange County No. 731 arrive in
> Riverside at 8:35 am and you can leave on No. 813
> 1'43" later; the one good connection is between
> No. 733 and No. 815 to Oceanside where there is
> only a 20 minute connection; however, No. 735 get
> into Riverside 35 minutes after the last IEOC
> train to OC leaves at 3:01 pm (Riverside Line
> train No. 411 leaves at 3:07 pm) and passenger to
> OC have to wait for 91 Line train 707 at 6:07 pm.
>
> Except for local travel between Riverside and
> South Perris, the mide-day trains are not useful
> to Metrolink riders.
>
>
>
>
>
>  

The 2.2% grade and sharp curves between Highgrove and Box Springs is the reason for the low speeds.
And there isn't much they can do about it either.

It's not even useful for commuters, unless you like a 2 1/2 hour trip to work each way. That's not even counting the daily breakdowns and delays. It even takes an hour to get to Riverside. A bus might be faster.

How many people living in Perris, Menifee, Moreno Valley, Lake Elsinore, etc actually work in downtown Los Angeles?  

I can't imagine there's very many. 

Some are going to your city David, along with Norwalk.