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Date: 11/17/12 03:27
Not a good day in Egypt
Author: driver




Date: 11/17/12 05:40
Re: Not a good day in Egypt
Author: andersonb109

I just saw it on Yahoo News. The line that got my attention: "SPEEDING train hits school bus." Good grief, it's Africa. How fast could it be going? The article is filled with blame on the railway, poor safety record. Etc. But the bus was obviously on the tracks so how can it be the railway's fault? I guess they should have swerved out of the way.



Date: 11/17/12 07:05
Re: Not a good day in Egypt
Author: PHall

andersonb109 Wrote:
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> I just saw it on Yahoo News. The line that got my
> attention: "SPEEDING train hits school bus." Good
> grief, it's Africa. How fast could it be going?
> The article is filled with blame on the railway,
> poor safety record. Etc. But the bus was obviously
> on the tracks so how can it be the railway's
> fault? I guess they should have swerved out of the
> way.


The BBC report says the barriers (gates) were not down when the train entered the crossing. Don't know if the gates are automatic or manual.
Still doesn't excuse the bus driver for not looking out the window.



Date: 11/17/12 07:43
Re: Not a good day in Egypt
Author: Highspeed

PHall Wrote:
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> Don't
> know if the gates are automatic or manual.

Apparently manual, and the guard was asleep.



Date: 11/17/12 16:11
Re: Not a good day in Egypt
Author: BobE

Dow Jones news service report:

ASSIUT, Egypt—A speeding train crashed into a bus carrying children to their kindergarten in central Egypt on Saturday, killing at least 49 and prompting a wave of anger against the government in Cairo.

More than 50 children between four and six years old were on the bus when it was hit, a security official said, adding that it appeared the railroad crossing wasn't closed as the train sped toward it.

The crash is the worst such tragedy to hit the country since its first freely elected president, Mohammed Morsi, took office last summer, and will likely give ammunition to critics who say he has done little to improve life for ordinary Egyptians,

Books, school bags and children's socks were strewn along the tracks near the blood-stained, mangled bus near al-Mandara village in central Assiut province.

Parents of the missing wailed as they looked for signs of their children. An Associated Press reporter at the scene said many of the remains were unrecognizable.

A woman who called herself Um Ibrahim, a mother whose three children were on the bus, was pulling her hair in grief. "My children! I didn't feed you before you left," she cried. A witness said the train pushed the bus along the tracks for nearly a kilometer, or half a mile.

One man, horrified by the carnage, screamed, "Only God can help!"

Two hospital officials said that more than a dozen injured, many with severed limbs, were being treated in two different facilities. All officials spoke anonymously as they weren't authorized to brief reporters.

The deadly crash prompted grieving families to set up road blocks in the area, preventing Mr. Morsi's prime minister from reaching the scene.

Some burned logs and fired automatic rifles in the air in denunciation of Mr. Morsi, the AP reporter said.

Prime Minister Hesham Kandil was greeted by a jeering crowd as he arrived with a detachment of riot police at Assiut's main hospital, where the injured were being treated. Residents of Assiut are traditionally heavily armed and many hold tribal alliances. They have complained that a lack of ambulances and equipment in the area had hindered hospitals' response.

In a televised address from his office in Cairo earlier Saturday, Mr. Morsi said he had tasked the state prosecutor with investigating the crash, which led to the resignation of the country's transport minister. "Those responsible for this accident will be held accountable," he said.

The Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's most powerful political force and Mr. Morsi's base of support, blamed the crash on a culture of negligence fostered by deposed Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak.

"It is unacceptable that things remain as they are without drastic treatment," it said in a statement, adding that it recommends a renovation of the entire transport system in order to spare the lives of citizens.

Egypt's railway system has a poor safety record, mostly blamed on decades of badly maintained equipment and poor management during the Mubarak era. Accidents due to negligence regularly killed scores over the three-decade rule of Mr. Mubarak, who was accused of valuing loyalty over competence in many appointments of senior officials. Widespread corruption has also been blamed for the underfunding of government services, particularly in poor provinces outside Cairo.

Opposition activists have accused Mr. Morsi of continuing the mistakes of his predecessor by not overhauling the system, and focusing too much on foreign policy while moving slowly to tackle a myriad of domestic problems.

Most recently Mr. Morsi positioned Egypt as the Palestinians' new Arab champion, but with more children killed in Saturday's accident than by Israeli bombs in the Gaza Strip, he is already under pressure to refocus efforts at home.

"President Mohammed Morsi is responsible and must follow up personally," one political group, the April 6 movement, said in a statement. "He is the one who chose this failed government whose disasters increase day after day."

Saturday's accident came one week after two trains collided in another southern province, killing four people. Many such accidents are blamed on an outdated system that relies heavily on switch operators instead of automated signaling.

The railway's worst disaster took place in February 2002 when a train heading to southern Egypt caught fire, killing 363 people.

Media reports quoted official statistics saying that rail and road accidents claimed more than 7,000 lives in 2010.

In al-Mandara village, angry families and local residents gathered near the tracks, shouting at officials. Some chanted, "Down with Morsi!"

Sheik Mohammed Hassan, a village elder, said the government should be paying more attention to domestic problems instead of the Gaza Strip.

"The blood of people in Assiut is more important than Gaza," he said.



Date: 11/19/12 02:36
Re: Not a good day in Egypt
Author: 86235

andersonb109 Wrote:
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> I just saw it on Yahoo News. The line that got my
> attention: "SPEEDING train hits school bus." Good
> grief, it's Africa. How fast could it be going

Between Cairo and Alexandria trains reach 70 mph. But as the article points out Egyptian infrastructure is generally poorly maintained. Whether this changes anything is a moot point.



Date: 11/21/12 14:38
Re: Not a good day in Egypt
Author: rdsexton

andersonb109 Wrote:
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> Good grief, it's Africa. How fast could it be going?

Check my video "Rails Along the Nile" for a look at how fast it might have been going. No slouch for speed...



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