Eastern Railroad Discussion > NS wreck on the CNO&TP near Lexington,KY

Getting word of a potential head on collision on the fayette/Scott county line near CP Akers. Crews are allegedly accounted for. I-75 shut down in both directions and potential hazmat leak and fire. This line is supposed to be going ptc any time. I know the north end is running ptc already.

Joe

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From what I hear, everyone is accounted for, there are evacuations going on in a nearby trailer park however. Not sure of other details past that. I'm listening to the Scott County Public Safety feed.

http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Train-derails-in-Scott-County-477226433.html

https://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/20896 - Scott County Public Safety



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/18/18 22:10 by msullivan1993.

This is at CP "Akers". Tracks go from double to single.

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Before everyone starts to speculate or offer opinions on what happened, please remember the other posts from the past months, let’s keep replies civil, ok!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/18 04:27 by EL-SD45-3632.

That'll happen.

Thoughts are with my fellow railroaders.


EL-SD45-3632 Wrote:
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> Before everyone starts to speculate or offer
> opinions on what happened, please remember the
> other posts from the past months, let’s keep
> replies civil, ok!

Posted from Android

(Above link no longer working but story can be found on WKYT site)

"SCOTT COUNTY, Ky. (WKYT) - Lisle road is back open after a train crash blocked it late Sunday night.

The head-on crash happened around 11 p.m.

Four people were hurt, but officials with Scott County Emergency Management tell WKYT that at least three of the injured have been released from the hospital.

Crews on Lisle Road are working to clean up diesel fuel and vegetable oil that spilled in the accident. The train caught fire after the wreck, but the flames have been put out.

All lanes of Interstate 75 were shut down after the crash, but were opened back up just after 1 a.m. Lisle Road was shut down until around 7:30 Monday morning.

Buses were sent to evacuate people living in the Spindle Top and Ponderosa trailer parks on Lisle Road to Lemons Mill Elementary for a possible hazmat situation. The mandatory evacuation has been lifted, and the area opened back up at 2:20 a.m. for residents.

Lexington Fire Department spokeswoman Lt. Jessica Bowman says residents near the scene were evacuated "out an abundance of caution."

The NTSB will be on scene Monday to investigate the crash."

Good to hear the crews survived. The WKYT story said 4 people hurt but did not identify them as NS employees as most would suspect.

Sounds like the authorities saw tank cars in the wreckage and, with appropriate caution, presumed hazmat until a determination was made that the tanks contained only vegetable oil.

It is amazing how Norfolk Southern can have derailments and the media writes the articles without ever mentioning Norfolk Southern anywhere in the article... You have to wonder how they do that.

Here are some local TV and newspaper links with photos.
http://foxlexington.com/news/local/ntsb-to-investigate-head-on-train-crash-in-scott-co
http://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Trail-derails-in-Scott-County-477226433.html
http://www.lex18.com/story/37753705/train-crashes-in-georgetown-injures-four
http://www.kentucky.com/news/local/counties/scott-county/article205810789.html

CSX602 Wrote:
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> It is amazing how Norfolk Southern can have
> derailments and the media writes the articles
> without ever mentioning Norfolk Southern anywhere
> in the article... You have to wonder how they do
> that.

At crash scenes like this one, most of "the media" depend on the authorities in charge of the scene for that sort of information. Most broadcast reporters, in particular, don't know which railroads go where, and frankly, that information is even wrong sometimes on maps. Even the Lexington Herald-Leader story contains little, if any, original reporting: they may have called the police department, but everything else is attributed either to a TV station or the Associated Press.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/18 08:49 by toledopatch.

Jan-Dec 2017 Class 1 Railroad Derailment numbers from safetydata.fra.dot...
Total by railroad (plus reported cause Equipment/Human/Signal/Track/Other)

NS 134 (19/55/5/36/19)
CSX 162 (35/55/5/39/28)
BNSF 264 (36/113/5/76/34)
UP 318 (43/89/5/120/61)

In looking back at the numbers for earlier years traditionally NS or CSX (2013 through 2015) has fewest derailments.

toledopatch Wrote:
> At crash scenes like this one, most of "the media"
> depend on the authorities in charge of the scene
> for that sort of information. Most broadcast
> reporters, in particular, don't know which
> railroads go where, and frankly, that information
> is even wrong sometimes on maps. Even the
> Lexington Herald-Leader story contains little, if
> any, original reporting: they may have called the
> police department, but everything else is
> attributed either to a TV station or the
> Associated Press.

But the media are usually trying to find out the railroad so that they interview and quote somebody in any article. When everybody at a derailment has safety vests and hats showing the railroad involved (and usually soon after a railroad spokesperson) it shouldn't take a rocket scientist among the press to figure out what railroad had the derailment...

CSX602 Wrote:
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> toledopatch Wrote:
> > At crash scenes like this one, most of "the
> media"
> > depend on the authorities in charge of the
> scene
> > for that sort of information. Most broadcast
> > reporters, in particular, don't know which
> > railroads go where, and frankly, that
> information
> > is even wrong sometimes on maps. Even the
> > Lexington Herald-Leader story contains little,
> if
> > any, original reporting: they may have called
> the
> > police department, but everything else is
> > attributed either to a TV station or the
> > Associated Press.
>
> But the media are usually trying to find out the
> railroad so that they interview and quote somebody
> in any article. When everybody at a derailment
> has safety vests and hats showing the railroad
> involved (and usually soon after a railroad
> spokesperson) it shouldn't take a rocket scientist
> among the press to figure out what railroad had
> the derailment...

Give them time. The reports you're seeing now are not the final product. The mantra now is "Get something up on the web now and do a more thorough job for later."

CSX602 Wrote:
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> ... it shouldn't take a rocket scientist among the press
> to figure out what railroad had the derailment...

Have you met a member of the press lately? The kids they send out at 1am-2am in the morning need all the help they can get.

justalurker66 Wrote:
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> CSX602 Wrote:
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> > ... it shouldn't take a rocket scientist among
> the press
> > to figure out what railroad had the
> derailment...
>
> Have you met a member of the press lately? The
> kids they send out at 1am-2am in the morning need
> all the help they can get.

And just to elaborate on my previous comments, I'd rather they not assume it was a Norfolk Southern train because it has NS engines on it. Railfans, if anybody other than railroaders, should know that would be a fraught assumption.

The derailment reportedly happened near CP-Akers, double track to single track for southbound trains. Local media reported a southbound train was stopped and was hit head-on by a northbound train. The track is operated by Norfolk Southern and is part of their CNO&TP-1st District. FYI . . . this line is leased to NS by the City of Cincinnati, which owns it from Cincinnati to Chattanooga.

toledopatch Wrote:
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> CSX602 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Most broadcast
> > > reporters, in particular, don't know which
> > > railroads go where, and frankly, that
> > information
> > > is even wrong sometimes on maps. Even the
> > > Lexington Herald-Leader story contains
> little,
> > if
> > > and hats showing the railroad
> > involved (and usually soon after a railroad
> > spokesperson) it shouldn't take a rocket
> scientist
> > among the press to figure out what railroad had
> > the derailment...
>
> Give them time. The reports you're seeing now are
> not the final product. The mantra now is "Get
> something up on the web now and do a more thorough
> job for later."

There was a derailment on the Louisville and Indiana Railway many years ago and just because it had a pair of rent-a-wrecks on the lead, one of the TV stations reported it as an "LTEX train."

I happened to be listening to the police frequency one time when there was a car or truck stuck on the tracks. The office at the crossing asked the dispatcher to call the CSX contact and have them stop any trains coming that way. Well, CSX didn't have any problem with it since it was on NS tracks. I think they finally reached NS to get trains stopped until they could clear the problem. Louisville is a big CSX town and when it's train related, most people around here simply assume it CSX. I try to tell my friends that if there is a problem at a crossing, look for the blue sign on the signal to get the information and correct phone number to report the problem.

John

A few pictures from an area Facebook page. The first two are night photos. There was a fire at the incident but looks like it had been extinguished at the time of these photos. These were from the Georgetown PD. The third picture was sometime this morning.

John

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Two more photos.

Georgetown is between Cincinnati and Lexington, about 60 miles south of Cincy and 10 miles north of Lexington. Reports indicate that the accident was near Lisle Rd. That would put it about 2 miles south of Georgetown. It appears that this area is double track to the north and becomes single track about a half mile north of Lisle Rd (Lyle on the NS profile charts.)

John

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There is drone video at https://www.facebook.com/gpdky/videos/10156418667826042/?t=481. It's from the Georgetown PD and is about 9 minutes long. Towards the end, the drone gets a little lower and you can see a bit more detail.

From the looks of thing in this video, it seems the accident occurred where it gots from single to double track. The speed limit in the area is 50 MPH.

John