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Date: 06/04/20 14:28
Goodbye Talgo
Author: You999

I can't say who or when but some of the Talgo S6s are being sold off to a third party.  Enjoy them while you can...



Date: 06/04/20 14:44
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: MEKoch

Bad reactionary decision, if true.  WSDOT is misguided.  



Date: 06/04/20 15:45
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: joemvcnj

Are the Chicagoland's Horizon cars running on Casacde trains yet ?



Date: 06/04/20 17:42
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: andersonb109

Talgos are some of the best trains I've ridden in the U.S.  Nice big windows. So why are they getting rid of them. Horizon cars are junk. 



Date: 06/04/20 18:33
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: F7sForever

I don’t consider this a reactionary decision at all. The majority of the sets were built in 1998 and are over 20 years old now. I know that WSDOT was considering replacement options before the DuPont disaster because the trains are nearing the end of their service life and are becoming more expensive to maintain. That necessity hasn’t changed.



Date: 06/04/20 19:33
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: BRAtkinson

F7sForever Wrote:
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> I don’t consider this a reactionary decision at
> all. The majority of the sets were built in 1998
> and are over 20 years old now. I know that WSDOT
> was considering replacement options before the
> DuPont disaster because the trains are nearing the
> end of their service life and are becoming more
> expensive to maintain. That necessity hasn’t
> changed.

ONLY 20 years old?????  WSDOT better get a reality check on life expectancy of rolling stock.  Amfleet I cars are 45-ish, Superliner I cars 40-ish, Viewliner I cars are 25-ish.  Their secretary of the budget better shut down any hint of selling them, ESPECIALLY as they do NOT have any replacements on the property!



Date: 06/04/20 19:49
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: KM-ML4000




Date: 06/04/20 20:41
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: Passfanatic

I know that there are Talgos that are supposed to be replaced in the short term. I forgot which ones. I don't think there has been any replacement equipment ordered for the Cascades.



Date: 06/04/20 21:26
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: Jsporseen

There are two full Wisconsin Talgo-8 trains as well as one extra cab car and an extra coach being prepared right now for use on the Cascades. At least two Talgo-8 trains built at the same time as the Oregon Talgo-8s will be arriving in the August to October period of time. 

I personally agree that the Talgo-6s should not be discarded but if they get put to good use then so be it.  I Have ridden in them many times and have felt perfectly safe and comfortable. Of course the Talgo-7s will still be available.

The following statement comes from an individual at ODOT whom I will not identify..
     It’s always difficult to predict the future, especially in times like these.  Washington State’s DOT is planning to have Amtrak park the Talgo 6 trainsets June 1 and operate with Oregon’s two Talgo 8 trains and one or two sets of conventional equipment furnished by Amtrak.  We don’t anticipate the arrival of the Wisconsin Talgo 8 trains until September or October.  Will the Talgo 6 trainsets disappear?  I don’t know.  I believe WSDOT is open to selling their two sets and I don’t know what Amtrak might do with their two trains.  We’ll just have to wait and see what develops.  As you can imagine, there’s not much of a market right now for selling used passenger train equipment of any type.



Date: 06/05/20 05:04
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: You999

joemvcnj Wrote:
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> Are the Chicagoland's Horizon cars running on
> Casacde trains yet ?

I heard they had a horizon test train a couple weeks ago from my source. No idea why horizon cars would need testing as it's not the first time they've ran them on the cascades

Rumor is they'll be using just the ODOT S8s for now and will add the horizon sets when things pick back up (or one of the S8s inevitable has problems)

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Date: 06/05/20 08:50
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: Amtk98

Amtrak was making sure all cars were MU-able... and worked in that configuration. Also trying to get the Horizon cars to be able to run at Talgo speeds by petitioning the BNSF and doing testing.  



Date: 06/05/20 11:23
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: TAW

Amtk98 Wrote:
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> Amtrak was making sure all cars were MU-able...
> and worked in that configuration. Also trying to
> get the Horizon cars to be able to run at Talgo
> speeds by petitioning the BNSF and doing
> testing.  

There are so many stories, even among official sources, that Talgo is not needed because Amfleets can run at the same speed. That is obfuscation or misrepresentation, the point of which is getting rid of Talgo trains in the US. Talgo trains can run at 8.5 inches of cant deficiency (speed limit in a curve is the same as the speed limit for the same curve with 8.5 inches more superelevation). They are allowed 5 inches because of BN(SF) track and F40/F59 ability. Amfleet cars might be able to run as high as 5 iches cant deficiency. They are not a long term solution to better, faster Pacific Northwest service. It is currently very unpopular to say that.

TAW



Date: 06/05/20 17:09
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: rgzfan

what state is WSDOT? WS is not the postal abbreviation for any state.

MEKoch Wrote:
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> Bad reactionary decision, if true.  WSDOT is
> misguided.  



Date: 06/05/20 17:16
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: Ray_Murphy

dtoeppen Wrote:
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> what state is WSDOT? WS is not the postal
> abbreviation for any state.
>
> MEKoch Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Bad reactionary decision, if true.  WSDOT is
> > misguided.  


You can always type "WSDOT" in Google.



Date: 06/05/20 18:27
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: Pig-Mauler

Weren't there structural problems in the suspension/tilt assemblies a few years ago?



Date: 06/05/20 20:26
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: FloridaTrainGuy

Talgo seems to be doing well and the unique technology appreciated elsewhere around the world.



Date: 06/05/20 21:01
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: TAW

Pig-Mauler Wrote:
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> Weren't there structural problems in the
> suspension/tilt assemblies a few years ago?

Many years ago, there was some cracking related to the state of our track. Our stick rail track uses staggered joints. In Spain and other places, the joints are adjacent. On bad quality stick rail track, of which we had a lot on the Cascades route, the carbody and suspension was subjected to repeated twisting forces that folks in Spain didn't anticipate.

TAW



Date: 06/06/20 03:18
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: joemvcnj

For conventional equipment, non-staggered jointed rail can lead to a bouncy ride and harder impact on the cross ties beneath the joints. The NYC subway used to have quite a bit of that on some of their els.

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Date: 06/06/20 06:20
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: FloridaTrainGuy

TAW Wrote:
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>> Amtk98 Wrote:
>> There are so many stories, even among official
>> sources, that Talgo is not needed because Amfleets
> >can run at the same speed.

> That is obfuscation or misrepresentation
> TAW

I was involved with the NEC high-speed tests in the 80's. Yes, Amfleet can run as fast as Talgo but no one is going to want to ride it.  The tilting makes the ride survivable.  Tilting is absolutely necessity for passenger comfort at higher speeds.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/20 06:21 by FloridaTrainGuy.



Date: 06/06/20 08:09
Re: Goodbye Talgo
Author: Amtk98

Horizon cars are in Seattle. Not Amfleet. I thought that's what we were talking about.



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